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A reader writes:
Could you please help me on a source for the (attached) photo? It is on Dr Soons’ shroud3d website, under the heading "Image Qualities of the Shroud – Superficiality", but is not sourced there.
I am trying to source all of my 60+ Powerpoint slides on the SoT. I sent an email to Dr. Soons but received no answer.
I have found the following around the Internet:
1) http://shroud3d.com/home-page/introduction-image-qualities-of-the-shroud-of-turin
2) http://www.sabanasanta3d.org/es/inicio/cualidades-de-la-imagen/
3) http://tonylayne.blogspot.com/2013/03/resurrecting-authenticity-of-shroud-of.html#.VSNsJvnF9-4
4) http://jesuswallpaper.org/t/3d-image-of-jesus-from-the-shroud-of-turin
Now I am number 5, I guess.
Further down the Shroud 3D page are a couple of images purporting to come from “Frey” tapes, one of which shows some big red crystals labelled “blood.” Their provenance would be interesting too.
Picture is from Baima Ballone’s book Sindone O No, 1990, Figure 34. The above photo is reversed relative to that shown in the book.
Thank you so much, Kelly.
In the image under the address:
http://shroud3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Picture1.jpg
there are no exact indications about: x, y, z …
The same with the link:
http://tonylayne.blogspot.com/2013/03/resurrecting-authenticity-of-shroud-of.html#.VSNsJvnF9-4
So…
What seems to be interesting to discuss (and demonstrate) is the placement
(based on data for x, y, z = ie the coordinates in space) of linen fibrils and
the exact location of the parties involved in what is the Body Image …
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… But, during the AFM studies around the Mechanical Properties of Individual
linen fibrils, perhaps we can see something that is more interesting for the improvement of the studies…
Some have told me that the dark spots could be from the blood areas of the Shroud. Dr. Soons seems to be saying on his shroud3d website that these spots are where the image is, hence, “Superficiality”. Does anyone have the answer? If the photo is originally from Baima Ballone, and thinking about his work, then perhaps it is blood?
I believe that we should see the same image, but (at least)
photographed under an UV light, in order to say something
that can be intelligent … or not?
…and then:
Where we could go and see if there is the same photo, but in UV…?
Nabber,
You’re very welcome.
The accompanying figure caption reads ” Fibrille de Lino di filo prelevato in correspondenza della pianta del piede destro con granuli di materiale pigmentato che le indagini di immunofluorescenza hanno dimostrato essere sangue umano”
Translated (via google) reads:
“Fibrils flax wire taken at the sole of the right foot with granules of pigmented material that investigations have shown immunofluorescence be human blood
I bought the book of Baima Bollone (= “Sindone o no”) 25 years ago, but
(unfortunately!) I did not have that book at hand …
It remains unclear why the bloodstains on the Shroud retain their original carmine color (red), while the normal traces of blood become black quickly and this for the fact due
to the degradation of hemoglobin which contain that turns in hematoidin, and
then again in hematin who is black.
Here two words on haematoporphyrin, which is a porphyrin compound,
with generic formula : C34H38O6N4.
This compound is obtained from the hemin and hemoglobin and is derived from the action of a strong acid. Differs from protoporphyrin hemoglobin for the presence of two hydroxyethyl groups instead of two vinyl groups. Its importance is especially historic because it was the first prepared for porphyrin synthesis (starting at hemin). Its biological role seems minor and his presence in the wild is not currently certain.
Remember also that hemoglobin consists of globulin and hematin.
Here other informations:
>Hematoidin, similar to bilirubin, is a reddish-brown pigment,
found in the form of rhombic crystals; does not contain iron,
is insoluble in water, alcohol, or ether, but is soluble in chloroform.
>It is found at the seat of old hemorrhages, and is generally considered
a later form of hemosiderin. …
Link:
http://chestofbooks.com/health/disease/Pathology/Hematoidin.html
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Hemin and Hans Fischer.
He was a German biochemist who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1930 for research into the constitution of hemin, the red blood pigment, and chlorophyll, the green pigment in plants…
Link:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/260817/hemin
Hemosiderin:
>Hemosiderin often forms after bleeding (hemorrhage). When blood leaves a ruptured blood vessel, the red blood cell dies, and the hemoglobin of the cell is released into the extracellular space…
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemosiderin
It is well known that iron in living systems is stored in ferritin and hemosiderin.
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I do not know your preferences in the analytical field,
however … Now I have just found an old (= 1995) study, and if you want to improve your knowledges the title is the following :
“Electron Energy Loss Spectroscopy Study of Iron Deposition in Human Alveolar Macrophages: Ferritin or Hemosiderin?”
Authors :
Marco Diociaiuti, Mario Falchi and Luigi Paoletti
Laboratorio di Ultrastrutture, Istituto Superiore di Sanità, Roma, Italy
Abstract
>Electron energy loss spectroscopy imaging (EELSI) was used to obtain Fe maps, with molecular resolution, in human alveolar macrophages. Fe concentrations were found in particular structures named siderosomes. The combined application of Extended energy loss fine structure (EXELFS) analysis, a “short-range” probe, and Selected area electron diffraction (SAED), a “long-range” probe, allowed us to investigate the atomic arrangement of proteins constituting the siderosomes. Results are compared with structural data obtained on purified proteins. It is found that the siderosomes seem to be constituted mainly by normal hemosiderins
http://mmm.edpsciences.org/articles/mmm/abs/1995/01/mmm_1995__6_1_33_0/mmm_1995__6_1_33_0.html
>An alveolar macrophage (or dust cell) is a type of macrophage found in the pulmonary alveolus, near the pneumocytes, but separated from the wall. …
Inhaled air may contain particles or organisms which would be pathogenic. The respiratory pathway is a prime site for exposure to pathogens and toxic substances…
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_macrophage
and then this argument seems to be very far from the Shroud, perhaps only the studies about the Sudarium of Ovideo can be interested in that question.
But see also: the recent study by De Liso
Sky Darkening During Strong Earthquakes as a Hypothesis of the Earth’s Crust Emission in Holy Shroud Image Study.
… that are (if I am right) studies about the strange EQLs and Earthquakes … or electric storm with dusts…
Yikes, Kelly. Dr. Soons is using this photo on the shroud3d website to supposedly illustrate the superciality of the IMAGE, not of BLOOD (which of course can soak all the way through the entire cloth). It appears I will need another, different photo to show how the image lies on the very top of the fibrils…..
Thank you.
The best photo illustrating the superficiality at fiber level is that from Rogers:
http://www.shroud.com/gallery/index.htm
Scroll down to “Rogers discontinuous yellow.jpg”
If you want to use it or a larger photo, please ask Barrie.
There are also some very impressive photos by Giulio Fanti in the “superficiality paper”
Thank you so much, Dr. Heimburger.
I received an acknowledgement finally from Dr. Soons, on 16 April.