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This Unbelievable Claim

April 7, 2015

“As an atheist,” says Mollie Jameson in a YouTube video, “I’ve always been amazed that people can believe in God and Jesus Christ with such little proof. When searching for a topic, I came across the Shroud of Turin….”

Hat tip to Joe Marino.

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  1. April 7, 2015 at 2:16 am

    Maybe she should sit and look into the Face of the Image on the Shroud of Turin saying to herself “I am Mollie Jameson, who are you ?”.

    • Nabber
      April 7, 2015 at 7:21 am

      Atheism is a religion itself — one that takes far more belief than Christianity…..

  2. Stan Walker, MD
    April 7, 2015 at 7:25 am

    Good golly, Miss Mollie. Are you the devil with a blue dress on?

    I hope you can dance.

  3. Matt K
    April 7, 2015 at 10:23 am

    That doesn’t even sound like a real human voice. Sounds like a synthesized woman’s voice.

  4. Louis
    April 7, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    This does not come as a surprise, to me at least. I mentioned such reactions a few days ago, which can be read in paragraphs 3 & 4 of the introduction:
    https://www.academia.edu/11355553/Dr._Paolo_Di_Lazzaro_explains_his_research_on_image_formation_on_the_Shroud_of_Turin

  5. Jim Carney
    April 7, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    Well, as a believer in the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin as the real burial cloth of Jesus, I can’t get too upset with young Mollie’s conclusions. However, when she starts off asserting her belief that Jesus never even existed, she loses all credibility. Other prominent atheists, such as Bill Mahar, have suggested the same thing. Honestly. This seems about as ignorant as one can get. Besides the extensive details in the New Testament, several other secular historians, such as the Jewish Josephus and Roman Tacitus, mention Jesus. And how dumb is it to believe that a group of Jesus’ contemporaries (apostles, disciples) made the whole story up and then went out and spread it in the face of brutal mistreatment and cruel martyrdoms. Why would any group of people do such a thing? The whole notion is idiotic. It’s one thing to argue that Jesus wasn’t God as he claimed to be (though the evidence is powerful, indeed); another to say that he didn’t even exist.

    How can anyone take these people seriously?

    As for the “earthquake” explanation for the erroneous carbon-14 dating, I don’t believe this theory has any credibility among the primary scientific community.

    All in all, Mollie has nothing to contribute to the Shroud discussion worth taking 5 minutes to listen to.

    • piero
      April 8, 2015 at 11:34 am

      In my opinion, both believers and non-believers
      can work together to seek the truth about the true age
      of that ancient Linen.
      I believe that Nicolotti has hit a point (in his favor) denigrating
      some strange Shroud studies …
      But I admit that I’m interested in the research of De Liso.

      At same time I have several doubts regarding the “earthquake” explanation
      for the erroneous carbon-14 dating…
      — —
      In any case, if a researcher wants to do the mapping of the entire Shroud,
      I believe there is a past starting point:
      “A project to get the Shroud image by scanning”
      by
      Guido Belforte, Carlo Ferraresi, Nello Balossino and Sergio Rabellino

      Abstract
      >The paper deals with a system able to perform a single uniform scan
      acquisition of the Shroud.

      Link:
      ww.shs-conferences.
      org/articles/shsconf/abs/2015/02/shsconf_atsi2014_00006/shsconf_atsi2014_00006.
      html
      — — —
      Yesterday, in an interview to a local newspaper
      (of Biella, Piedmont), prof. Bruno Barberis said that
      “it would be desirable for a new campaign of direct studies on the Cloth”
      (to be able to collect more data in order to build a complete map
      of physical, chemical and biological characteristics) and
      that “need a laboratory for the Shroud” …

      But how much does such a laboratory dedicated to the Shroud?
      Where is the provisional cost estimate?
      Would not it be better to start with the analysis of what
      has already been taken (in the past) before launching
      into adventures not yet well defined?
      — — —
      Today I have read that the new film “Ben Hur”
      (director = Timur Bekamambetov) start after 56 years
      and with the use of 15 cameras …
      Instead “Ben-Hur” (1925) was the most expensive film of
      the silent-era, possibly holding the record for over twenty years…

      A “laboratory dedicated to the Shroud” cost much,
      but (maybe) it can cost less than the movie “Ben Hur” …
      who knows …?

      • piero
        April 8, 2015 at 11:48 am

        A “Laboratory dedicated to the Shroud” can cost much.
        But.. how it costs ?
        How to share the costs for studies, analyses, etc. ?
        Do You have a credible model to indicate?

        So: how you should start ?

  6. Louis
    April 8, 2015 at 8:55 am

    It looks like President Obama would be interested to learn more about the Shroud. Unlike UK Prime Minister David Cameron, a practicing Anglican, he has openly declared his faith:
    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/obama-cites-pope-francis-at-white-house-prayer-breakfast/

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