
You notice it after a while. The arguments get made, in slightly different ways, by pollen specialists and blood chemists and image analysts and forensic examiners, and eventually by podcasters and armchair philosophers trying to talk themselves — and everyone else — into believing. And somewhere along the way, the arguments start walking in a circle.
Here is the circle, in its usual order.
Start with the Gospels. Not as scripture yet — just as an old document, the way you’d use any ancient text. They tell you a man was scourged, crowned with thorns, pierced in the side, buried in haste before sundown, his legs left unbroken. Fine. Historians use texts like this all the time without signing on to anything supernatural. So far, no foul.
Then the cloth is measured against that template. Wounds in the right places. A burial custom that fits first-century Judea. And the conclusion quietly upgrades itself, from this is consistent with to this is the burial cloth of that man. That’s a bigger leap than it looks. Consistency with a type is not identity with a token. To make the leap you need the Gospel details to be not just plausible ancient reportage but substantially, specifically reliable — which is a much stronger claim, and one that’s supposed to be in question, not assumed.
Then comes the image itself, which nobody has fully explained. And here the circle tightens. When a forensic mechanism doesn’t present itself, “a burst of radiant energy at the moment of resurrection” only becomes a live candidate for someone who’s already willing to entertain a resurrection as a physical event. A scientist with no stake in the outcome reaches for contact transfer, image enhancement over centuries, medieval technique, or simply we don’t know yet — long before reaching for a hypothesis that breaks physics. So the “evidence” for the resurrection turns out to be available only to people who already believe in it. That’s not proof. That’s a mirror.
And then the last turn: the resurrection, now treated as forensically demonstrated, is used to certify Jesus’s own claims about himself, which is used to certify the reliability of the documents making those claims — including, if you trace it back, the very passages that supplied the wound pattern in the first place. The snake eats its tail.
I don’t think this is anyone’s dishonesty. I think it’s what happens when a chain of inferences quietly borrows credibility from its own later links, and nobody stops to ask whether the confirmations are actually independent of each other or just the same coin, counted twice.
There’s a second problem, and it sits underneath the first one rather than beside it. The whole chain assumes the Gospel burial and resurrection narratives are, at minimum, historically solid enough to serve as a template. But that assumption isn’t something skeptics invented to be difficult. It’s contested by scholars working well inside serious historical-Jesus scholarship — John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, Bart E. Erhman, and others associated with that broader project — who have argued, on independent historical grounds, that a properly buried, later-empty tomb may not be what happened at all. Crossan’s case, built on what we know of Roman practice toward executed criminals, is that Jesus was more likely left exposed or given a shallow, anonymous burial, with the tomb narrative developing later as theology rather than reportage. You don’t have to accept that argument to see the problem it creates for Shroud apologetics: the foundational premise of the whole exercise — a dignified Jewish burial in a discrete tomb, on a specific cloth, at a specific moment — is itself a live historical dispute among people who are not hostile witnesses. The cloth is being asked to authenticate an event whose basic shape is still argued over by the very discipline the argument leans on for its starting facts.
And then there’s a question that has nothing to do with forensics at all: who, exactly, is supposed to be persuaded? A large share of thoughtful Christians already hold the resurrection as a spiritual or transformative reality rather than a strictly physical one — a claim about the risen presence of Christ in a community, not a claim requiring a body that did something to a piece of linen. For them, a positive forensic verdict on the Shroud wouldn’t be an unnecessary bonus. It would be beside the point, or even a category error — physical proof offered for a claim they never framed as physically provable in the first place. So even in the world where every scientific dispute about the Shroud is resolved in the apologist’s favor, the argument would still fail to do the one thing it’s actually for: it wouldn’t move the skeptic, because the skeptic doesn’t grant the premises, and it wouldn’t be needed by a great many believers, because they were never arguing on that ground to begin with.
Which is, I think, the real lesson the linen keeps trying to teach, if anyone would let it. We keep building arguments that promise certainty, and certainty keeps turning out to be the wrong currency for what faith actually is. A God who wanted to end the argument could have ended it. God’s Divine Hiddenness isn’t a gap in the evidence waiting for better technology. It may be the whole point — a standing invitation to trust something you cannot corner into proof, offered to people who were never going to be satisfied by a byproduct of a miracle.
And then there is the radiocarbon dating that is certainly correct: The Shroud is medieval.
The Shroud is medieval. //Prove it. How was the image made by the forger? Unless you have a solid answer to that question, your claim is unwarranted.
You’re demanding I show you the horse leaving the barn before you’ll believe the barn is empty. That’s backwards. You don’t need to watch something happen to know that it happened — you don’t have to see the burglar to know the window’s broken.
The same confusion is running through the dating question. The 1988 radiocarbon test dated the linen fibers to 1260–1390, using the same method applied to thousands of other archaeological samples. That’s a claim about when the cloth was woven. “How did a forger make the image” is a separate question, and nobody on any side of this debate has a fully agreed answer to it — the image-formation mechanism is genuinely unresolved either way.
Not having a complete answer to the second question doesn’t undermine the first. A forger’s method being unknown doesn’t mean no forger existed, any more than an unsolved burglary means no burglary occurred. “I can’t tell you exactly how” and “therefore it didn’t happen” are two different claims — treating them as the same one is just an argument from ignorance wearing a lab coat.
If you want to argue the radiocarbon result itself is flawed — contamination, repair patches, sampling error — that’s a real debate people have had. But demanding a reconstructed forger’s workshop before you’ll accept a lab date isn’t that argument. It’s moving the goalposts to a question the dating never claimed to answer.
If you can’t prove Jesus was born you can’t prove the shroud is real. Think about that.
Gospels say there was not enough time to give a proper burial. Ladies went early in the morning to give the proper burial. DNA from Dust from the Burial cloth was analysed, realised that most probably manufactured in India. No technology today can create an image like that. My main concern is how the wrist wounds are in the image. Ancient trade routes support that it was imported from India. On the Pentecost, the disciples spoke in an Asian language because most probably Jewish Indian traders were in Jerusalem.
Dan,
This is going to be my last comment on this topic (probably) because I’m old and have neither the time nor the efficiency to continue this endless debate which has devolved into an unresolvable argument split between science and faith with a mind-numbing quantity of nitpicking. But here is why I believe the Shroud is the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ. First, though, a criticism. You assert that the carbon-14 dating of the Shroud is accurate and therefore the cloth is medieval. Other commenters have pointed out flaws in the sampling technique which could have invalidated the results. But one fact proves the test was not entirely accurate. The Hungarian Pray Codex was created between 1192 and 1195. The picture there of the crucified Christ being buried with a shroud that has 4 holes exactly where the actual Shroud has its burn holes, plus the matching weave pattern, being just a matter of random chance is not 1/100 but astronomically unlikely. So the carbon-14 dating result of 1260-1390 is demonstrably wrong on the older end.
You also cite the notorious Jesus Seminar for arguments against the Resurrection claim. This is like asserting we have to consult with Satan on the nature of evil in the world. That Seminar concluded essentially that nothing in the New Testament could be reliably attributed to Jesus except an abbreviated form of the Our Father. If you look to the Jesus Seminar for truth about the Resurrection, you are already lost down the rabbit hole.
The image on the Shroud of Turin was not intended by God to provide physical proof of the Resurrection. It is proof of the execution and death of Jesus. It is a graphic portrayal of the sufferings of the Son of God endured for the salvation of mankind. It is a picture of the most noble and incredible act of self-sacrifice in human history. It is designed to make all of us who look on this image understand the price that God paid for us and to incorporate that knowledge into how we practice our Christianity.
The image on the Shroud is very faint but the “negative” aspect captured through photography is dramatically detailed. No medieval forger would have presented the faint image if he would have had the ability to do the negative image which has far greater impact. No medieval forger would have had a clue about this aspect of the image. Even in modern times, no one can explain how this came about or come close to duplicating it. So whatever claims are made about the shroud cloth itself, no forger in medieval times created this image. No forger in human history, including 2026, could do it.
The four New Testament “books” about the ministry of Jesus
Christ contain enough inconsistencies and minor contradictions to clearly establish that those narratives were not concocted by a group of individuals who wanted to perpetuate a myth about the messianic mission of Jesus Christ. The actions of the Apostles and disciples of Jesus following his crucifixion are all indicative of sincere belief in his teachings as the Son of God. Although we don’t have documentary proof, Christian tradition has always been that all of the Apostles except John were martyrs to their faith. There is no greater evidence of sincerity than the willingness to die for that testimony.
The Shroud of Turin is just one bit of evidence for the existence of God. The Tilma of Guadalupe image of the Blessed Virgin Mary on a 500-year old cactus cloth which should have deteriorated into dust hundreds of years ago is beyond the ability of science to explain. The “sun signs” at Fatima are impossible to explain in natural terms. Eucharistic miracles and miraculous healings at Lourdes are inexplicable as detailed in Jesuit author Robert Spitzer’s book, “Christ, Science and Reason” (2024). There have been thousands, probably millions, of NDE reports establishing the existence of life for human souls beyond the grave. And countless numbers of people have reported experiences with the divine including those reported by Sophy Burnham, Joan Wester Anderson, Sister Faustina and other authors. I also have experienced and reported on a phenomenon in my book, “The Seton Miracles: Weeping Statues and Other Wonders” (1993, 1998). This involved dozens if not hundreds of Blessed Virgin Mary statues, images and crucifixes that wept and sometimes changed colors in 1991 and 1992. There was no natural or fraudulent explanation for this event. Pope John Paul II declared this type of phenomena belongs to the “order of signs” indicative of a means by which God draws our attention to a physical or spiritual evil threatening humanity.
I know that many of your blog followers, Dan, not to mention millions of people who either do not believe in God or the faith claims of Christianity, will scoff or try to challenge some of the assertions I have made here. But, as noted in the beginning, I am old. I find the inability of people to see religious truth frustrating and tiresome. It won’t be long before I will personally discover these truths after I have died. Everyone on this planet will make the same journey at some point. We will each have the opportunity to confirm our beliefs or find out how wrong they were. In the meantime, thanks for the good that people do and let us all deplore the evil that seems so prevalent these days.
Jim
Dear Jim,
Thank you for your comment. I have read it four times now, and I will certainly read it again and again.
I, too, am old, Jim. I used to think the way you do. And I sometimes wish I still did.
But I changed my mind, and found to my surprise that my faith in God, in Christ, in the Resurrection and all its meaning, was not diminished but strengthened. For each of us it will be different — I realize that. But for me it was removing a dependency. In the end, after weighing all the arguments for why the C14 dating might be wrong, I found that in my own way of looking at things, I could not help but trust it. Your mileage may differ. I have no argument for that.
We all arrive at faith — if we arrive at all — by different journeys. Mine started in the 1960s, and I detail it in my book. Two Episcopalians Walk Into a Bar. It was there that I was introduced to the forerunners of the Jesus Seminar scholars, who gave me just enough modernism and thinking room to stay in the church — though I’ve moved on from where they left me. I still respect their scholarship, even where I’ve come to disagree with their conclusions.
Take Marcus Borg. He and N.T. Wright once debated the Resurrection live on PBS, in the nave of Washington National Cathedral. Wright believes it was physical. Borg believed it had nothing to do with a corpse. They were good friends for years, and both studied at Oxford. I’ve come to agree with Wright, but I respect where Borg — arguably the more liberal biblical historian of the two — was coming from academically. Or take John Dominic Crossan, who doesn’t believe, from a strictly historical point of view, that Jesus was even buried in a known tomb — and who taught New Testament at a Catholic university for twenty-five years while holding that view.
Borg was not a fringe voice, either. In the 2006 Portraits of American Life Study — Michael Emerson of Rice and David Sikkink of Notre Dame, funded in part by the Lilly Endowment — only 68% of respondents strongly agreed that “Jesus Christ physically rose from the dead.” Mainline Protestants were statistically the same, at 67%. Evangelicals were higher, at 84%. So something close to a third of Catholics and Mainline Protestants, and something closer to one in six Evangelicals, didn’t strongly affirm a physical resurrection — a meaningful minority, not a scandal, sitting inside communions that officially teach otherwise.
That’s exactly it, Jim. That’s not scandal. That’s the shape of honest scholarship wrestling with something too important to walk away from. I’ve come to think that’s not a bug. It might be the point.
Here’s where I’ve landed, and it’s the same place my thinking about the Shroud has taken me. I believe in an Almighty God — one who is not bound by the ordinary rules of matter and space. I believe Jesus could appear to Mary in the garden, to the disciples locked in the upper room, and to two strangers on the road to Emmaus — even at the same hour, if he chose. If God wanted to settle the Resurrection question with evidence that forces assent, God could have. A shroud with unimpeachable provenance and a medically inexplicable image would do it. Instead we got a cloth we can argue about for six hundred years, and a resurrection we can argue about for two thousand. I don’t think that’s an accident. I think hiddenness isn’t God’s failure to show up clearly — I think it’s a feature of what faith actually is.
Because if the C14 test had come back first century — if the image formation had a known mechanism only a divine act could produce — what would be left of faith? It would just be knowledge. And knowledge doesn’t require trust. It doesn’t require the leap, or the decision, made over and over, to keep believing anyway. I used to think certainty was the goal. Now I think certainty, if we ever actually got it, would be the thing that flattens faith into mere fact.
And maybe that’s the whole lesson of the Emmaus road. Two disciples walked for miles beside the risen Christ himself and did not know him — not through any lack of evidence, but because their eyes were kept from recognizing him until the moment he chose. It wasn’t an argument that opened their eyes. It wasn’t proof. It was the ordinary, homely act of breaking bread together — and Luke tells us that was how he had been made known to them in the breaking of the bread. Mystery and faith, encapsulated in one gesture, at a table, after the fact was already true. I don’t think we’re meant to get more than that.
You and I are both old enough to know we’re closer to finding out than not. I don’t say that to be morbid — I say it because I think that’s exactly the position we’re meant to be in until then: leaning toward belief without the thing that would make leaning unnecessary. Borg and Wright could stand in that same nave, having studied the same texts at the same university, and land in different places — and remain friends for life. That doesn’t look to me like a failure of evidence. It looks like exactly how much room God left for us to choose.
I don’t have your certainty about the Shroud, Jim. But I don’t think I need it to have what you have about the Resurrection.
Thank you for the good you’ve done, and for taking the time to write this. Let’s deplore the nastiness that prompted this post, and hope for a bit more light before we’re both done finding out.
Dan
The divine is hidden in a way that humans not even know that they have passed already, being surrounded by its presence.