Let’s just say I am taking my time . . .

imageMichael Gryboski, a reporter for the Christian Post has written an article: Uncertainty Abounds Regarding Latest Turin Shroud Claims. Given that I am extensively quoted, I am extensively quoting the story:

As the world hears about the latest evidence that the Shroud of Turin may have been the burial cloth of Jesus, some have expressed uncertainty about the latest claim.

Giulio Fanti, a professor from the University of Padua, and Saverio Gaeta, an Italian journalist, have recently published a book arguing that the shroud did indeed exist during the time frame of the life of Jesus.

Dan Porter, who oversees a news blog about the shroud, told The Christian Post that from what he knew the research was based on "new methods that have not been peer-reviewed yet for publication in a reputable and ethical scientific journal."

"I know Giulio Fanti personally and I know him to be an honest researcher. Frankly, I would have preferred it if he had sought peer-review before writing his book," said Porter. "Unfortunately that can be difficult where science meets religion. Let’s just say I am taking my time and seeking opinions from others before deciding."

Porter also told CP that regarding the whole issue that the shroud "may be the real burial cloth of Jesus."

"The carbon dating, once seemingly proving it was a medieval fake, is now widely thought of as suspect and meaningless. Even the famous atheist Richard Dawkins admits it is controversial," said Porter.

"Years ago, as a skeptic of the shroud, I came to realize that while I might believe it was a fake, I could not know so from the facts. Now, as someone who believes it is the real burial shroud of Jesus of Nazareth, I similarly realize that a leap of faith over unanswered questions is essential."

Purported to be the cloth that Jesus was buried in after the crucifixion, the Shroud of Turin first appears in the historical record around the year 1360 at the Diocese of Troyes in France. It was eventually moved to the Turin Cathedral in Northern Italy in 1578.

Much debate has existed over the authenticity of the shroud, including whether or not it was from the first century and how the famous image appeared.

In 1988, carbon dating tests were performed on the shroud, which placed its origins in the Medieval era. However, many, including Fanti, have claimed the results were faulty due to laboratory contamination.

Oh, go ahead and read the rest of the story and see what Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association, told the post.

He is Risen! He is Risen indeed!

From the apse of the Resurrection Chapel of the Washington National Cathedral, Washington D. C. by Hildreth Meière (1892-1961), renowned mural artist and mosaicist.

(Words extracted from Handel’s Messiah)

Hallelujah
Revelation 19: 6

And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 11: 15

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 19: 16

And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS.


I know that my redeemer liveth
Job 19: 25, 26

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.

1Corinthians 15: 20

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


Since by man came death
1Corinthians 15: 21, 22

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


Behold I tell you a mystery
1Corinthians 15: 51, 52

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shallall be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


The trumpet shall sound
1Corinthians 15: 52 – 54

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptable must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Then shall be brought to pass
1Corinthians 15: 54

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


O death where is thy sting?
1Corinthians 15: 55 ,56

O death, where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


But Thanks be to God
I Corinthians 15:57

But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


If God be for us
Romans 8: 31, 33, 34

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Worthy is the Lamb
Revelation 5: 12, 13

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


Amen

Text of Pope Francis’ Remarks for the Televised Exhibition of the Shroud of Turin on Holy Saturday

imageDear Brothers and Sisters,

I join all of you gathered before the Holy Shroud, and I thank the Lord who, through modern technology, offers us this possibility.

Even if it takes place in this way, we do not merely “look”, but rather we venerate by a prayerful gaze. I would go further: we are in fact looked upon upon ourselves. This face has eyes that are closed, it is the face of one who is dead, and yet mysteriously he is watching us, and in silence he speaks to us.

How is this possible? How is it that the faithful, like you, pause before this icon of a man scourged and crucified? It is because the Man of the Shroud invites us to contemplate Jesus of Nazareth. This image, impressed upon the cloth, speaks to our heart and moves us to climb the hill of Calvary, to look upon the wood of the Cross, and to immerse ourselves in the eloquent silence of love.

Let us therefore allow ourselves to be reached by this look, which is directed not to our eyes but to our heart. In silence, let us listen to what he has to say to us from beyond death itself. By means of the Holy Shroud, the unique and supreme Word of God comes to us: Love made man, incarnate in our history; the merciful love of God who has taken upon himself all the evil of the world to free us from its power.

This disfigured face resembles all those faces of men and women marred by a life which does not respect their dignity, by war and violence which afflict the weakest… And yet, at the same time, the face in the Shroud conveys a great peace; this tortured body expresses a sovereign majesty. It is as if it let a restrained but powerful energy within it shine through, as if to say: have faith, do not lose hope; the power of the love of God, the power of the Risen One overcomes all things.

So, looking upon the Man of the Shroud, I make my own the prayer which Saint Francis of Assisi prayed before the Crucifix:

Most High, glorious God, enlighten the shadows of my heart, and grant me a right faith, a certain hope and perfect charity, sense and understanding, Lord, so that I may accomplish your holy and true command.

Amen.

Source for text and photograph: The Telegraph (Hat tip: Joe Marino)

Stories are rolling out now on the Exhibition of the Shroud of Turin

imageNick Squires in Rome for The Telegraph with a brief video clip:

Francis made his first remarks on the mysterious cloth since being elected Pope in a special video message as the shroud was shown live on television for only the second time in its history.

His remarks came on Holy Saturday, which falls between the commemoration of Christ’s crucifixion on Good Friday and his resurrection on Easter Sunday.

Francis referred to the 14ft-long strip of sepia fabric, which is imprinted with the face and body of a bearded man, as “the Holy Shroud” and asked: “How is it that the faithful, like you, pause before this icon of a man scourged and crucified? It is because the Man of the Shroud invites us to contemplate Jesus of Nazareth.

“This face has eyes that are closed, it is the face of one who is dead, and yet mysteriously he is watching us, and in silence he speaks to us.”

However his observations did not go beyond the non-committal approach taken by the Catholic Church on the question of the shroud’s authenticity. Observers noted that his use of the word “icon” fell short of the claim by some that the shroud is a “relic” of the crucifixion.

He likened the look of suffering on the face of the man to the pain and horrors endured by the victims of modern war and conflict.

“This disfigured face resembles all those faces of men and women marred by a life which does not respect their dignity, by war and violence which afflict the weakest. And yet at the same time the face in the shroud conveys a great peace; this tortured body expresses a sovereign majesty.”

Since being elected the successor to Benedict XVI earlier this month, the Argentinean Pope has repeatedly called for the need to protect the weak, vulnerable and dispossessed in society.

The Pope sent the message as an introduction to a 90-minute broadcast on RAI, the state television network, from Turin Cathedral, where the shroud is kept in a special climate-controlled case.

The broadcast on Saturday afternoon commemorated the 40th anniversary of the last time the shroud was shown for an extended period, live on Italian television, under Pope Paul VI in 1973.

The Vatican has never pronounced one way or the other whether it believes the shroud to be genuine.

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, when he was still cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, . . .

Video from Turin Appearing on YouTube. Expect More.

We are starting to get video from today in YouTube. This clip runs about nine minutes.

Exhibition of the Shroud of Turin

Recommended: Barrie Schwortz on CNN

Amongst all the hoopla, I missed linking to this earlier. This is a very significant interview with Barrie Schwortz, founder and editor of Shroud.com with CNN about the appearance of the shroud on TV again, the failure of the carbon dating, the unsolved mystery of the image and the new iPhone app.  Click HERE or on the image to watch this four minute segment.

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Res ipsa loquitur: The facts speak for themselves.

clip_image001[4]This is from a very important posting by John Klotz in his blog, Living Free. Read the whole posting. The following, pretty much the last third of the posting, should give you an idea why:

The Shroud.com story also carries an attack by the Turin authorities on Fanti’s claim that he had carried out tests on a fibers of the Shroud obtained from (ta da) Ray Rogers. The Turin authorities not authorized the fibers to be transferred. The Fanti research was thus unauthorized.

But now the plot thickens considerably. In his 2005, Rogers published a paper in Thermahemica Acta that specifically stated how he had received samples of the carbon related to the carbon dating area of the Shroud:

“[I] received 14 yarn segments from the Raes sample from Prof. Luigi Gonella (Department of Physics, Turin Polytechnic University) on 14 October 1979. I photographed the samples as received and archived them separately in numbered vials. Some of the samples were destroyed in chemical tests between 1979 and 1982, but most of the segments have been preserved.” Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2 , 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194

At that time, Gonella was the duly appointed Scientific Adviser to the Archbishop of Turin. In the same paper, Rogers further reported:

“On 12 December 2003, I received samples of both warp and weft threads that Prof. Luigi Gonella had taken from the radiocarbon sample before it was distributed for dating. Gonella reported that he excised the threads from the center of the radiocarbon sample.”

I do not feel I can comment currently on Fanti’s “Mystery of the Shroud.” As of yet there is no English translation available. But I can comment on this: Roger’s 2005 statements are a “past recollection recorded.” While it was not contemporaneously recorded, it certainly is evidence of an chains of possession which began with Prof. Gonella, now deceased.

It may be that the authorities in Turin do not wish to authenticate Fanti’s work by denying official confirmation of his samples authenticity. Yet, in law they have a principal of evidence expressed in Latin: Res ipsa loquitur.” The facts speak for themselves.

John C, Klotz

Now read the whole posting. I agree with it.

Royal Society Involvement: It will not happen

Mike B. in Wisconsin writes:

imageI noticed that one of your blog’s readers, Dr. Colin Berry, wants to involve the Royal Society of London and its president, Dr. Paul North, in an examination of possible pseudoscientific practices in Shroud of Turin research. It will not happen.

While it is true, as Dr. Berry points out, that Dr. North has rightly stated that it is the duty of scientists to expose pseudoscience, we must remember that he does so only when it relates to important public policy issues such as climate change.

Just this past week, Dr. North gained two powerful allies, the new Pope in Rome and the Church of England’s new Archbishop of Canterbury on the home front. Pope Francis understands the issue. His words have been clear. He will be a powerful voice for the environment on the world stage. The Most Revd Lord Welby, also committed to preventing global warming, will be most influential with the British government and private institutions throughout the Commonwealth.

Therefore, it is implausible to think that the leader of the Royal Society would become embroiled in what would certainly be perceived as a smack down of the church over unimportant questions about the authenticity of a relic many Catholics and some Anglicans revere.  He will not do so. He is not that foolish.

Moreover, to do what is being asked of the Royal Society by Dr. Berry, and do it well, would require countless hours of costly research and entangle the Society in controversy for many years to come. It makes no sense. It will not happen.

I imagine Mike B is right about this.

The International Centre of Sindonology expresses reservations about Fanti-Gaeta volume

This is copied from a PDF file, “Official Statement from the International Centre of Sindonology” in English, Spanish and Italian. It resides at www.shroud.com and may be found from Late Breaking News. (The picture is not part of the file):

clip_image001Referring to the news about the release of the volume “The Mistery of the Shroud” by Rizzoli, written by Giulio Fanti and Saverio Gaeta, supposedly dealing with research carried out on Shroud material, the International Centre of Sindonology has expressed reservations about the approach of the book to the theme. According to the International Centre of Sindonology, the volume has approached the subject through the analysis of some cloth samples which can not be proved to belong to the Shroud fabric as they can not be traced.

As far as this is concerned, the International Centre of Sindonology refers to the official statements about the “experiments and analysis concerning the Holy Shroud” made when analogous research was attempted on material supposedly belonging to the Shroud. Those statements were made on behalf of the Holy See, owner of the Shroud, by Cardinal Giovanni Saldarini in September 1995 and Cardinal Severino Poletto on 4th May 2009, “Papal Custodians of the Holy Shroud”.

Turin, September 1995

More and more reports are being published about experiments carried out on Shroud
material aiming to check the results of the tests conducted with the Carbon 14 method in
the summer of 1988. This purpose may be legitimate, and the Church recognizes to every
scientist the right to carry out appropriate research in their field of science. However,
given the circumstances, it is necessary to point out that:

a) no new sample of material has been taken from the Holy Shroud since 21st April 1988,
and according to the Holy See and the Custodian of the Holy Shroud it is highly unlikely
that a third party may be in possession of any residual material from that sample;

b) if such material exists, the Custodian reminds everybody that the Holy See has not
given its permission to anybody to keep it and use it and he therefore demands to give it
back to the Holy See;

c) it is not possible to know with any degree of certainty whether or not such experiments
were carried out on material coming from the fabric of the Shroud. Therefore, the Holy
See and the Papal Custodian declare that no serious value can be recognized to the
results of those alleged experiments;

d) this is evidently not the case of the research carried out on material taken for the tests
in October 1978 and following the explicit authorization of the Papal Custodian;

e) within the climate of mutual trust established with scientists, the Holy See and the
Cardinal Archbishop of Turin encourage scientists to be patient until a clear and
systematically planned research programme is arranged.

Giovanni Card. Saldarini
Archbishop of Turin

And there is this, too: Official statement of the Papal Custodian of the Holy Shroud, Mons. Cesare Nosiglia in English, Spanish and Italian.

Breaking News: Links to See the Shroud Now

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Barrie Schwortz just found this link, possibly from a satellite feed, and posted it on his site (www.shroud.com) :

View the Television Exposition

Also, this is a bing translation from Ostension du Saint-Suaire de Turin:

Saturday Saint from 5: 10 p.m., it will be possible to follow on KTO the exceptional television ostension of the Holy Shroud of Turin. Decided by Benedict XVI, the ceremony will be held in camera in the Duomo. The ostension of half an hour will take place during the ceremony, which lasted 1 hour and a half.

That is 12:10 pm EDT (New York). I have a streaming picture. Anyone know Italian? And are these the same broadcasts? I just want to get it up there fast.

I also had the same picture without sound on my iPhone from a bootleg streaming site in France. It lasted two minutes then failed. No luck at all with the RAI streaming site.

Awaiting Live Stream from RAI Uno

Click HERE or on the image below to be taken to RAI Uno’s streaming page. let’s hope and assume that the message, “We apologize. The content is not available due to copyright restrictions,” will not appear during the exhibition.

  • Saturday, March 30 – 11:10 a.m Italian time (10:10 a.m. GMT / 6:10 a.m. EDT) – RAI Uno – “A sua immagine”, Shroud Special: L’attesa dell’Ostensione (Waiting for the Exhibition)
  • Saturday, March 30 – 5:15 p.m. Italian time (4:15 p.m. GMT / 12:15 p.m. EDT) – RAI Uno – “A sua immagine”Sindone: i segni della Passione (Shroud: The Signs of the Passion)

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Now Available: Video from ABC News Good Morning America

This is the video from ABC News Good Morning America (or click on the picture). It runs about two and a half minutes:

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Earlier today I wrote . . .

Not that any serious student of the Shroud of Turin is going find anything new or particularly meaningful in the ABC Good Morning America coverage, but our good friend and frequent contributor on this blog, Russ Breault, was great.

But what is the news story, here?

  1. Is the story the upcoming exhibition tomorrow with billions set to watch it live? Yes ABC said ‘billions’ along the bottom of the screen.
  2. Or is the story that investigators at the University of Padua have shown that the shroud might be real despite carbon dating in the past? Did ABC actually say that skeptics call it the Fraud of Turin?
  3. Or is the story the iPhone app, Shroud 2.0? It was barely mentioned.

I don’t think the planners of the exhibition in Turin were counting on the Fanti’s book getting all this attention. Has it overshadowed Turin’s plans for Saturday or provided needed publicity?

Quote for Today: Lombatti’s head exploding all over the place.

imageJim West*, blogger of Zwinglius Redivivus and outspoken Baptist pastor on Giulio Fanti’s new findings:

I would hate to be at Antonio Lombatti’s house today. His head must be exploding all over the place.

And wouldn’t we be disappointed if we didn’t hear from Antonio, super Shroud of Turin skeptic. He writes:

Typical Easter madness. Every year, around March or April, there’s always a new and amazing “discovery” to date back this medieval relic to the time of Jesus. However, this time I don’t even have to waste my time to reply to shroudologists: the Turin cardinal himself has declared that these latests tests are absolutely meaningless.

Typical Lombatti with just half the story.

*Dr. Jim West, pictured, is Adjunct Professor of Biblical Studies at the Quartz Hill School of Theology and Pastor of Petros Baptist Church, Petros, Tennessee. He has written a number of books and articles and serves as Language Editor for the Scandinavian Journal of the Old Testament and Language Revision Editor for the Copenhagen International Seminar.

Of provenance, chain of custody, proper care and suitability of samples

imageTo trust or distruct, that is the question.

A reader writes:

You can not question the provenance, chain of custody, proper care and suitability of the samples used by Fanti without also, again, asking the same questions about the C14 samples.

And Stephen E. Jones wrote in a comment to another posting:

In reply to [a comment by Colin Berry who wrote, “]It was understanding that “tufts” were taken from the cope, not a neat 8.1cm x 1.6cm rectangle.[“]

I said nothing about a “rectangle” let alone “a neat 8.1cm x 1.6cm” one. That is Colin’s own straw man. They were just “threads” from “tufts” taken from the cope of St. Louis d’Anjou:

“The Cluny Museum was contacted but refused to be involved. `…They got scared …’ as Evin remarked later. So he and one Gabriel Vial went along to the Basilica of Saint-Maximin at Var and pulled some tufts out of the cope known to have been worn by St. Louis d’Anjou (d. 1297). A postal strike intervened so Vial had to hurry to Turin himself and hand his “control sample” to Tite himself on the very day of the cutting of the sample from the Shroud: 21 April 1988. … Confronted with the importunities of an excited Vial, the imperturbable Tite divided his offering into three parts which he placed not in cylinders but in envelopes for the three laboratories as an apparently unexpected but later very useful “Sample 4″ – threads from the cope of St. Louis d’Anjou (d. 1297).” (D. J. McDonnell, “The Great Holy Shroud Dating Fraud of 1988,” 4 November 2003).

But it had to be enough linen in those threads for the three C-14 laboratories to carry out a valid C-14 dating, otherwise they would not have been valid controls.

And each of the three C-14 laboratories subdivided their postage size sample of the Shroud several times (one was 9 times from memory), and each subdivided sample had to have enough linen to do a valid C-14 dating. From memory the Shroud samples were reduced to threads anyway, so that they could be pre-treated more thoroughly. A self-styled `Sciencebod’ if he thought about it (even if he had not bothered to READ about it) should have realised that the C-14 labs did not do their tests on the `rectangle’ of Shroud linen that they were each given.

So if the Shroud is authentic (as all the evidence, apart from the 1988 radiocarbon dating, points to), then an explanation is needed for how three C-14 laboratories `just happened’ to agree on a C-14 date range, 1260-1390, the mid-point of which, 1325, `just happened’ to be about 25 years before the Shroud appeared at Lirey in the 1350s.

A not unreasonable explanation is that, faced with a public relations disaster, of three C-14 labs all using the then new AMS method, and with literally a million pounds then riding on Oxford’s AMS test being successful, and with the labs being unable to come up with a consistent, publishable, C-14 date, with some of the C-14 sub-samples yielding a C-14 date of 1st century, and other sub-samples yielding a C-14 date of 16th century (due to an invisible repair with cotton-which Oxford lab actually discovered after Arizona had done its test), the three labs all agreed to use a 13-14th century date range, the midpoint of which was just before the Shroud first appeared in the European historical record. And one way to do that was use some of the dates that the 13th century cope of St. Louis d’Anjou had yielded.

It used to be a trump card argument in favour of the 1325 +/- 65 years C-14 date, that if the Shroud was 1st century, then how did it `just happen’ to yield a a mid-point date that was a mere 25 years before the Shroud appeared in the undisputed historical record? But that argument cuts both ways: if the Shroud IS 1st century (as the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence points to), then how did it `just happen’ to yield a mid-point date that was a mere 25 years before the Shroud appeared in the undisputed historical record?!

Therefore, I stand by my point (without necessarily saying or believing that that is what happened): “…no one can absolutely prove that the Shroud samples tested by the three C-14 laboratories in 1988 were not switched, for the sample from the 13th century cope of St. Louis d’Anjou …”

[Colin Berry had written] “It should be easy enough therefore to shoot down this latest unhelpful attempt to muddy the waters of science by going back to the cope to see if there’s a missing rectangle.[“]

See above on the “rectangle” being Colin’s own straw man. I repeat that I said nothing about a “rectangle” being taken from the cope of St. Louis d’Anjou, and nor does my argument require it: “tufts” and “threads” from that 13th century linen cloth sufficient for three C-14 labs to each perform a valid C-14 test, will do just fine.

Good Friday 2013

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Second illustration in the Hungarian Pray Manuscript (or Pray Codex) as seen in the National Széchényi Library of Budapest. Named after György Pray who studied it in the late 1700s.

What’s the Story: Fanti’s Book or the Holy Saturday TV Exhibition?

clip_image001Not that any serious student of the Shroud of Turin is going find anything new or particularly meaningful in the ABC Good Morning America coverage, but our good friend and frequent contributor on this blog, Russ Breault, was great.

But what is the news story, here?

  1. Is the story the upcoming exhibition tomorrow with billions set to watch it live? Yes ABC  said ‘billions’ along the bottom of the screen.
  2. Or is the story that investigators at the University of Padua have shown that the shroud might be real despite carbon dating in the past? Did ABC actually say that skeptics call it the Fraud of Turin?
  3. Or is the story the iPhone app, Shroud 2.0? It was barely mentioned.

I don’t think the planners of the exhibition in Turin were counting on the Fanti’s book getting all this attention. Has it overshadowed Turin’s plans for Saturday or provided needed publicity?

Barrie Schwortz: Biggest issue so far seems to be the validity of Fanti’s samples

imageBarrie Schwortz has an excellent article on th new book by Giulio Fanti (pictured right). Picking up part ways in (it’s the first story for Late Breaking News for March 28):

So why all the controversy? The book apparently documents the recent Shroud testing done by Fanti and his research team at the University of Padua and reports the results of some chemical and mechanical tests they performed which they claim "confirms that the Shroud dates back to the 1st century." A pretty powerful statement for sure, but that is not the major problem. You can find a more detailed report about their research on the Vatican Insider website (in English). Here is an excerpt from their article:

"The research includes three new tests, two chemical ones and one mechanical one. The first two were carried out with an FT-IR system, one using infra-red light and the other using Raman spectroscopy. The third was a multi-parametric mechanical test based on five different mechanical parameters linked to the voltage of the wire. The machine used to examine the Shroud’s fibres and test traction, allowed researchers to examine tiny fibres alongside about twenty samples of cloth dated between 3000 BC and 2000 AD.
"Final results show that the Shroud fibres examined produced the following dates, all of which are 95% certain and centuries away from the medieval dating obtained with Carbon-14 testing in 1988: the dates given to the Shroud after FT-IR testing, is 300 BC ±400, 200 BC ±500 after Raman testing and 400 AD ±400 after multi-parametric mechanical testing. The average of all three dates is 33 BC ±250 years.
"The tests were carried out using tiny fibres of material extracted from the Shroud by micro-analyst Giovanni Riggi di Numana who passed away in 2008 but had participated in the1988 research project and gave the material to Fanti through the cultural institute Fondazione 3M."

That last paragraph goes to the core of the controversy. In a separate Vatican Insider article (in Italian – use Google or Bing to translate the page) was the following statement from Mgr. Cesare Nosiglia, the Archbishop of Turin (via auto translation with some additional corrections):

"Yesterday, a note from the Turin International Centre for Sindonology and the Archbishop of Turin, Mgr. Cesare Nosiglia, put stakes in the work of Fanti. No serious’ ‘value” of the results can be attributed to any of the research on the Shroud reported in the book, said the Papal Custodian of the Shroud of Turin, Archbishop Cesare Nosiglia. ”Since there is no degree of safety on the authenticity of the materials on which these experiments were carried out to the Shroud cloth – reads a note of Monsignor Nosiglia – the owners and custodians cannot recognize any serious value to the results of these alleged experiments.”"

The article goes on to include Fanti’s reply to the allegations that the samples he used were invalid. In part, he states (with some additional corrections):

"In short, there were samples taken of Shroud material in both 1978 and in 1988. In both cases, they were approved by the Custodian of the Shroud, Archbishop (later Cardinal) Anastasio Ballestrero, with the consent of the owner, Umberto II of Savoy in 1978, and Pope John Paul II in 1988. Involved with the Shroud for a long time, prof. Fanti received some fibers taken from the Shroud in 1978 by prof. Ray Rogers, one of the American scientists of the STURP team.
"But in 1988, Giovanni Riggi di Numana, the expert who cut the Shroud samples for examination by C14, and with the agreement of Cardinal Ballestrero, kept some of the fibers of the Shroud and collected fragments of aspirated blood and dust samples in between the linen and the Holland cloth. The conditional is a must, as no record was drawn up of the levy for the C14, let alone a semi-official collection like that. But it is very likely that after the death of Riggi, in 2008, a part of the material held by a dedicated foundation has come to Fanti. After the death of Ballestrero, card. Saldarini issued a statement, asking that any Shroud materials be returned. But it seems that no one has complied with the request.
"All of this to conclude: prof. Fanti’s research was carried out on the Shroud and of course the material was authentic, even if it was outside the control of the International Centre of Sindonology. And besides, 25 years after the C14 examination, whose own credibility Fanti’s work further crumbles, perhaps one might begin to assume that a continuation should be considered of the research program created by STURP, the Shroud of Turin Research Project, an international group of scientists who produced a wealth of incredible scientific results after testing the Shroud in 1978.

So the biggest issue so far seems to be the validity of Fanti’s samples

But will that remain the biggest issue?

Something of a News Explosion on Fanti’s New Book

As of midnight, I’m seeing this (and the book is not yet in English). The Huffington Post story is well written and includes a 90 second video news account:

New book claims re-analysis of fibers shows Shroud of Turin dates to Christ

Edmonton Journal – ‎3 hours ago‎

A replica of the Shroud of Turin, pictured on display at the Holy Name of Mary Church in Windsor in 2006. ROME — The Shroud of Turin is not a medieval forgery, as has long been claimed, but could date from the time of Christ, according to a new book.

New study says Turin Shroud dates back to Jesus’ era, countering previous data

New York Daily News – ‎7 hours ago‎

The famed burial shroud that many Catholics say bears the face of Jesus has been dated back to Christ’s time, a new study says, which raises questions about whether the relic is more than a medieval hoax. Scientists have never been able to explain exactly

Shroud Of Turin Real? New Research Dates Relic To 1st Century, Time Of Jesus …

Huffington Post – ‎9 hours ago‎

After decades of speculation, new research suggests that the Shroud of Turin, one of the Catholic Church’s holiest relics, may be the real deal. Believed by some to have been Jesus’ burial cloth, the Shroud has been the subject of much research. The latest

Turin shroud makes rare appearance on TV amid claims that it is not a forgery

The Guardian – ‎11 hours ago‎

The shroud of Turin is to be shown on television for the first time in 40 years on Easter Saturday as a new claim that the four-metre-long linen cloth dates from ancient times proves its enduring ability to fascinate and perplex. As what the Vatican described as

Turin Shroud could be Jesus’ burial cloth book claims

The Sun – ‎16 hours ago‎

SCIENTISTS say the Turin Shroud could in fact be real – after claiming the ancient cloth does date back to the time of Jesus. A book claims that experts have used infra-red and other high-tech form of fibre analysis to trace the 14-ft cloth’s origins. And boffins at

Turin Shroud ‘not Medieval forgery,’ test dates 300 BC-400 AD

DigitalJournal.com – ‎1 hour ago‎

A new study claims to have dated a sample of the linen of the Turin Shroud to between 300 BC and 400 AD. The latest dating deepens the controversy of the shroud which many venerate as the burial cloth of Christ but which others say is Medieval forgery.

Tests Indicate Shroud of Turin was Made During Time of Jesus

Opposing Views – ‎1 hour ago‎

Though it has been questioned many times before, a recent test on the Shroud of Turin dated the relic to be from the time of Jesus. It was believed by some to have been his burial cloth, but tests done in the 80s indicated it might have been medieval forgery.

New book claims Shroud of Turin is not counterfeit

Catholic Online – ‎2 hours ago‎

The Shroud of Turin has been held in high regard by the Catholic world as being the actual burial shroud of Jesus Christ. The 14-foot long linen cloth bears the imprint of the face and body of a bearded man. Many believe the shroud was used to bury Christ’s

Shroud of Turin might be legit, or at least not quite as fake

msnNOW – ‎2 hours ago‎

If proven authentic, the Shroud of Turin would be the ultimate religious relic. For those not up on the legend of religion, that’s the cloth that supposedly covered the dead body of Jesus Christ and now bears his physical imprint. The legitimacy of the 14-foot

Turin Shroud Bound For Vatican TV Event Amid New Claims It’s Not A Hoax

The Inquisitr – ‎3 hours ago‎

Considered by Catholics to be the shroud that Jesus was buried in after his crucifixion, negatives of the four meter long linen cloth reveal an image of a bearded man with nailed-pierced hands and feet. While scientists have never been able to explain how the

Shroud of Turin Appears on TV Easter Sunday, Thanks to Retired Pope [PHOTO]

Latinos Post – ‎5 hours ago‎

The Shroud of Turin, believed by at least some to be the burial cloth for Jesus after he was crucified, is coming to television Easter Sunday, compliments of the newly-retired Pope Benedict XVI. As one of Benedict’s last official acts as pope, he approved a

New tests show Turin Shroud could be authentic

The Way – ‎5 hours ago‎

As Christians celebrate Easter a new study has claimed that the Shroud of Turin is a not a medieval forgery but could – in fact – be the burial shroud that was used to wrap the body of Christ. The tests reveal that the cloth’s consistency is similar to those used to

New Study Dates Shroud of Turin to the Time of Jesus

Aleteia – ‎6 hours ago‎

Previously thought by many to be a medieval forgery, new tests of the Shroud of Turin have dated it to 300BC and 400AD. That’s a wide range, but also firmly places it prior to the medieval period, and puts Jesus’ life right in the middle of the possible range.

New Research Suggests Shroud of Turin Is Real

LiveScience.com – ‎7 hours ago‎

The Shroud of Turin, an icon of faith and controversy among Christians, is back in the news. The linen cloth, allegedly the burial shroud of Jesus, was closely examined in 1988 in laboratories in Switzerland, England and the United States using carbon-14

Shroud of Turin Replica on Display [Photos]

Patch.com – ‎7 hours ago‎

A replica of the Shroud of Turin—believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus—was displayed recently at St. Michael’s Ukranian Catholic Church in Shenandoah, Schuylkill County. St. Michael’s is the oldest Greek Catholic or Eastern Rite church in

Shroud of Turin Not a Medieval Forgery, According to New Book

History – ‎10 hours ago‎

As the Christian world prepares to mark Jesus Christ’s resurrection on Sunday, a highly prized and intensely controversial artifact associated with him comes to the fore. A scientific analysis has yielded a new age for the Shroud of Turin, contradicting claims

Shroud of Turin Broadcast Scheduled for Easter Saturday

Nature World News – ‎10 hours ago‎

(Photo : REUTERS/ Giorgio Perottino) The Shroud of Turin is displayed during the first day of its exhibition in the Cathedral of Turin April 10, 2010. Pope Benedict XVI will be in Turin to pay homage to the Shroud on May 2. The Shroud was put on display on

Does This Finding Prove Jesus’ Resurrection? New Book Offers Stunning Alleged Details About the Shroud

TheBlaze.com (blog) – ‎10 hours ago‎

Today, we covered the ongoing controversy surrounding the Shroud of Turin. After the story was published, a reader sent along a fascinating image that he claims appeared on his shower wall. While the guy admitted that the mere suggestion that smudges on

The Shroud of Turin 2.0

Patheos (blog) – ‎10 hours ago‎

The flawed 1988 radiocarbon tests dating the shroud to the Middle Ages have been challenged for years. Giulio Fanti, professor of mechanical and thermal measurement at the University of Padua’s engineering department, recently studied fibers from the

Shroud 2.0? The Shroud Of Turin In 2013

Science 2.0 (blog) – ‎11 hours ago‎

Since it’s Easter season, all of Christendom will be awash in articles and television shows about the Shroud of Turin. The Shroud, if you are new to the western world, is a cloth imprinted with the face and body of a bearded man; that would be Jesus Christ,

Infrared Testing Shows the Shroud of Turin is Not a Medieval Era Forgery

Cleveland Leader – ‎11 hours ago‎

Just days ahead of Easter, a new study claims that the Shroud of Turin is not a medieval forgery, and instead could actually be the burial shroud that was used to wrap the body of Jesus Christ. According to the latest scientific studies, the cloth’s consistency is

Shroud Turin Dates back 1st Century AD, says research

French Tribune – ‎15 hours ago‎

As per recent reports, it has been revealed that new scientific studies were carried out with regard to Shroud Turin. The scientific researches, which were carried out at the University of Padua, were meant to date the Shroud Turin. The research has concluded

Shroud of Turin: Vindication for Jeffrey Hart?

National Review Online (blog) – ‎Mar 27, 2013‎

For years, the scientific consensus about the Shroud of Turin was that it was a medieval forgery. Former NR senior editor Jeffrey Hart was a dissenter from that view — for a variety of reasons, he believed the Shroud was authentic. Now comes news that

Shroud of Turin Holy Saturday broadcast will push through

StudentNewsIE.com – ‎Mar 27, 2013‎

On Holy Saturday, the Shroud of Turin broadcast will push through as confirmed by the Vatican. Pope Benedict XVI has authorized a televised broadcast of the cloth that is believed to be the burial linen used to cover the body of the Christ before he was buried

Shroud dates from 1st century: New study

CathNews – ‎Mar 27, 2013‎

New scientific experiments carried out at the University of Padua have apparently confirmed that the Shroud Turin can be dated back to the 1st century AD, Vatican Insider reports. This makes its compatible with the tradition which claims that the cloth with the

New evidence confirms age of Shroud of Turin

Catholic Culture – ‎Mar 27, 2013‎

New experiments conducted at the University of Padua have confirmed that the Shroud of Turin dates back to the time of Christ. Giulio Fanti, a professor of mechanical and thermal measurement, cooperated with Saverio Gaeta to produce a new book,

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Breaking News: Russ Breault to be on ABC Good Morning America on Good Friday

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I will be on Good Morning America tomorrow sometime between 7-8 AM. Film crew just left my house.

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An Inevitable Dispute? Fanti and the Archbishop?

imageA reader writes, “These two articles (see below) may be why Fanti’s book had to come before peer-review which might be difficult to impossible in Catholic Italy.”

I don’t know about that. Maybe so. But, here are the two articles, both from Vatican Insider. This will undoubtedly be a long running dispute between Giulio Fanti and the Archbishop of Turin acting as Papal custodian of the Holy Shroud. The articles are presented here, below their Italian title, as Microsoft Bing Translations (difficult but essential):

1)  Riserve del CIS sul volume Fanti-Gaeta, la replica del professore

A note from the International Centre of Sindonology and the response of the scholar at the University of Padua

Rome

With reference to the news of the publication by the Publisher Rizzoli volume "the mystery of the shroud" by Giulio Fanti and Saverio Gaeta, in which the following would be searches on material that is supposed to come from the shroud of Turin, the International Centre of Sindonology in Turin expressed their reservations before an approach to the theme that is based on elements such as the analysis of tissue samples whose membership in the sindonico is at least dubious cloth and not verifiable anywaybecause no traceability.

The intervention of the CIS

In this regard the CIS refer to official statements on "experiments and analysis concerning the Holy Shroud" already released-on the occasion of other similar attempts in the past about alleged sindonico-material samples by Cardinal Giovanni Saldarini in September 1995 and by Cardinal Severino Poletto the May 4, 2009, acting as "Papal Custodians of the Shroud" and therefore also on behalf of the Holy See, owner of the shroud.

"There are more and more reports of experiments done on samples of sindonico material in order to verify the results of analyses carried out by the carbon 14 method in the summer of 1988. As far as the objective can be legitimate and the Church recognizes each scientist’s right to do the research which it deems appropriate in the context of its science, in this case it is necessary to clarify that: a) no new material is taken place on the Holy Shroud after April 21, 1988 and both the property and the custody of the Shroud has not that there can be residual material of that hand-picking; b) If this material existed, the guardian recalls that the property has not given anyone permission to keep track and make any use and please those interested to put it back in the hands of the same; c) since there is no degree of membership security of materials which were to be carried out such experiments at the sindonico, the property sheet and the custody State that they cannot recognize any serious value to the results of the alleged experiments; d) obviously this does not apply for searches initiated with material taken with express permission of the keeper during the October 1978 examinations; and) in the climate of mutual confidence with the world of scientists, the Holy See, and Archbishop of Turin invite scientists to wait until the time has come for a concerted research program organically. "

Giovanni Cardinal Saldarini

Archbishop of Turin

Papal custodian of the Holy Shroud

Turin, September 1995

«On mass media appeared in recent times news regarding research on purported sindonico material, various goals service. On them the Papal Custodian of the shroud feels duty-bound to adopt a position, on the line of the affidavits released in 1995 by his predecessor, Cardinal Giovanni Saldarini.

Is undisputed for the Church that every scientist has the right to make appropriate searches in sindonico field within its competence, respecting the feelings of the faithful and the property rights of the shroud. You must, however, make some clarifications regarding the use of purported material sindonico: no new withdrawal of material for research purposes on the Holy Shroud took place after April 21, 1988 and both the property and the custody of the Shroud has not that there can be residual material of that third hand picking. What has been achieved in the restoration of 2002 was immediately inventoried and placed under seal, a total and exclusive disposal and discretion of the Holy See. Since there is no degree of safety on the sindonico cover membership of materials on which were performed the experiments in question, the property and custody claim that they cannot recognize any serious value to the results of such experiments. In the climate of mutual confidence with the world of scientists, the Holy See, and Archbishop of Turin invite scientists to wait until the appropriate time has come for a clear and serious organically concerted research programme. It is announced that the research program is still suspended until the next Exposition, while hopefully to start a realization in the aftermath. "

Severino Cardinal Poletto

Archbishop of Turin

Papal custodian of the Holy Shroud

Turin, May 4, 2009

The answer of Professor Fahmi

In response to the reserves of the International Centre of Sindonology where it talks about "tissue samples whose membership to sindonico is at least dubious cloth and not verifiable anyway, as devoid of any traceability" I am forced to respond even to defend the honour of my University I funded the studies described in the book published by Rizzoli.

1. who responded Probably hasn’t had a way to read the book that contains just an appendix concerning the traceability of the samples.

2. samples in question originate from those that Cardinal Saldarini to point d) excludes from its declaration because "material taken with express permission of the keeper during the October 1978 exams".

3. as indicated in the declarations of Cardinal Saldarini and Poletto, yours truly took contacts for resitituzione samples.

4. the results of research published can be confirmed by parallel testing conducted by the CIS. The undersigned is available to provide the know-how to do so.

 

2)  Sindone, la battaglia dei reperti. Ma Fanti li ha buoni…

In view of the exposition scheduled Saturday afternoon television, continues the debate on the sacred linen studies. The note of Monsignor Nosiglia

Marco Tosatti

Rome

It’s a few days into the new library book of infantrymen and Gaeta on the Shroud. Prof. Fahmi, of the University of Padua, presents the results of experiments on sindonici fragments in its possession. From these it appears that the curtain sindonico is compatible with the era in which Jesus Christ was crucified. A further denial to questionable, and discussed, a result of examinations to C14, spoiled by miscalculations, and dated the fabric to the middle ages.

Yesterday a note from Turin International Centre of Sindonology, and Archbishop of Turin, mons. Cesare Nosiglia, put stakes in the work of foot soldiers. Cannot be attributed to ” any serious value ” to the results of research on the Shroud mentioned in volume, Ansa said the Papal Custodian of sindonico sheet, the Archbishop of Turin Cesare Nosiglia. ” Since there is no degree of membership security of materials which were to be carried out such experiments at sindonico sheet-reads a note from monsignor Nosiglia-ownership and custody claim that they cannot recognize any serious value to the results of such alleged experiments. ”

The Archbishop of Turin confirms the statements already released, at similar attempts in the past about alleged sindonico samples, by his predecessors, Cardinal Giovanni Saldarini and Cardinal Severino Poletto. ” Perhaps it would be useful and necessary to resume searches-added monsignor Nosiglia-but at the moment there is no activity in this direction. We will evaluate with the Holy See, what you need to do. ”

A little later came the clarification by Giulio Fanti, according to which the samples are based on new research on the Shroud "originate from those that Cardinal Giovanni Saldarini excluded from his statement why material taken with express permission of the keeper during the October 1978 exams". According to the International Center for Sindonology (CIS) the examined materials are not "trackable" with certainty and so this would thwart research trust. But for professor finds his Foot examined are absolutely "trackable and come, as evidenced by documents in his possession, from former 1978 levies."Research results published-also claims Fahmi-may be confirmed by parallel testing conducted by the CIS ". In his note the scholar declares himself "available to provide its know-how for this purpose".

And this last sentence certainly takes on a meaning of provocation. But the story of withdrawals of material from the Shroud, which formed a kind of nightmare for city managers, is varied and complex. And let’s say right away that the prof. Fahmi had original material available.

Summary: there have been withdrawals of sindonico material in both 1978 and in 1988. In both cases were authorized by the custodian of the shroud, Archbishop (later Cardinal) Anastasio Ballestrero, with the agreement of the owner, Humbert II of Savoy in 1978, and John Paul II in 1988. Reportedly in sindonologi environments for a long time, prof. Foot soldiers would receive some fibers taken from the Shroud in 1978 by prof. Ray Rogers, one of American scientists of Sturp.

But in the 1988 John Riggi of Numana, the expert who cut the Shroud for the examination to C14, with the agreement of Cardinal Ballestrero, retained some fibers of the Shroud, collected fragments of blood and aspirated dust samples present between linen and canvas. The conditional is a must; He was not drafted any withdrawal verbal for the C14, let alone for a semi-official collection like that. But it is very likely that after the death of Riggi, in 2008, a portion of the material preserved by a special Foundation at jacks has come. After the death of Cardinal Ballestrero,. Saldarini issued a statement, asking that any sindonico material in freedom was made. But it does not appear that anyone has complied to the request.

All this finally: prof. Fahmi has carried out investigations on certain sindonico and authentic material, although outside the control of the International Centre of Sindonology. And furthermore to 25 years away from the C14 whose credibility the results of Fahmi contribute further erode, perhaps you could begin to assume a continuation of the research program at the time designed by Sturp, the Shroud of Turin Research Project, the international group of scientists who in 1978 produced a harvest of reliable and proven scientific results on the Shroud.

On the present was Archbishop of Turin with a note.

"With reference to the news published by the Rizzoli Publisher of the book "the mystery of the shroud" by Giulio Fanti and Saverio Gaeta, which the following searches would be on material that is supposed to come from the Shroud, the Papal Custodian of the Shroud contained confirmation about it in official statements on "experiments and analysis concerning the Holy Shroud" already issued – on the occasion of other similar attempts in the past about alleged sindonico – goods from stock samples its predecessors: by Cardinal Giovanni

Saldarini in September 1995 and by Cardinal Severino Poletto the May 4, 2009.

In particular insists that there is no security on the materials which were to be carried out such experiments at the sindonico, the property sheet and the custody State that they cannot recognize any serious value to the results of these alleged experiments.

Apple Shroud of Turin App Demo

Here is a demonstration of the new “official” High Definition image app for Apple iPhones and iPad. I’m not quite sure what I’m seeing.

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National Review Online: What we heard from Padua today was just such a peek-a-boo.

clip_image001This is something of big time attention in the mainstream media. Columnist Michael Potemra writes, Shroud of Turin: Vindication for Jeffrey Hart? in National Review Online:

For years, the scientific consensus about the Shroud of Turin was that it was a medieval forgery. Former NR senior editor Jeffrey Hart was a dissenter from that view — for a variety of reasons, he believed the Shroud was authentic. Now comes news that scientists at the University of Padua have established that the Shroud does in fact date back to the first century.

Does in fact? Those are pretty strong words. Anyway, continuing a bit down the page:

The walk of faith is a difficult one. In a world that denies God — a world of cruelty, brutality, violence, oppression of the weak by the strong, and persecution of those who stand up for the weak — it is often hard to hold on to the existence of a benevolent God. But God nonetheless gives people faith in Him, to each person according to His own design and measure; and we should be grateful for any hint He sends us that the accounts of Him are true. Of course, the Shroud of Turin is not proof of the Christian Faith. But — in this week, Holy Week, even more than usual – this news gives believers some encouragement.

For which I am very, very, thankful: If the world is right, Jesus was just a troublemaker who ran afoul of the authorities, and paid the price that troublemakers often do. Some of us are lucky enough to be able to hold on to the faith and hope that He was and is much more than that. Somebody once said that God’s absence is not that of a cruel and indifferent landlord, but closer to that of a loving father playing peek-a-boo with his toddler. Perhaps what we heard from Padua today was just such a peek-a-boo.

 

Source: Shroud of Turin: Vindication for Jeffrey Hart? – By Michael Potemra – The Corner – National Review Online