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November 27, 2015

imageIn an email someone asked:

My friend … has given me your email address.

I have tried to find the origin of the attached picture. I found it on an Internet site and I have asked the owner of the site about it, Anthony Layne, but he does not remember where he found the picture. Here is the link:  http://goo.gl/FctU5r *

Do you have any knowledge about it, ie. is this from the picture formation on the Shroud?

I can of course not use it in my lessons about the Shroud without such confirmation.

A quick Google image search (with Chrome browser, right click on the image and then click on Search Google for this image) reveals four web pages that display the image. One of them is this blog in a posting earlier this year: Seeking Help To Identify an Image Called Superficiality. Readers of this blog have provided some helpful information; for instance Kelly Kearse writes:

Picture is from Baima Ballone’s book Sindone O No, 1990, Figure 34. The above photo is reversed relative to that shown in the book.

I hope this helps.  Do read the comments to learn some additional information about the picture. Click on the picture to see a larger version.


* Note: The full link before shortening is http://tonylayne.blogspot.no/2013/03/resurrecting-authenticity-of-shroud-of.html#.VjnE-EOPTLv

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  1. November 27, 2015 at 6:19 am

    If this is in Ballone’s book it is more than likely blood not image.

  2. Hugh Farey
    November 27, 2015 at 7:53 am

    Strange picture. In the four corners are what appear to be pins, as if this image is a photograph of a big enlargement pinned to a wall. If anyone has a copy of Baima Bollone’s book, can they say if it has any acknowledgement, or even a caption? As a single image, it looks nothing like any other micrograph I have seen, so if it is part of a set, it is curious that none of the others have been reproduced on the web. ‘Sindone O No’ has been superceded by three newer books by Baima Bollone; is the photo reproduced in them?

    • November 27, 2015 at 9:08 am

      In the 1990 book, Sindone o no, this is fig. 34 with no acknowledgements and with the following caption: “Fibrille di filo di lino prelevato in corrispondenza della pianta del piede destro con granuli di materiale pigmentato che le indagini di immunofluorescenza hanno dimostrato essere sangue umano.” Translation: “fibrils from a linen thread taken from the sole of the right foot with granules of pigmented material that immunofluorescence investigations have shown to be human blood.”
      The same photo is in the 2010 and 2015 books by Baima Bollone with similar caption (lacking the last words). In all cases the photo is rotated with respect to the one shown above. I have not found the photo in books of 1998, 2000 and 2006.

  3. Hugh Farey
    November 27, 2015 at 10:13 am

    Thanks, Gian Marco. I wonder what the pins are, don’t you?

    • November 27, 2015 at 12:47 pm

      I do not see the pins in the books by Baima Bollone, but, apart that the printed photos are small, the frames are a little reduced as compared with the copies on the internet, that is they are cut on the borders and do not extend to include those corners.

      • Hugh Farey
        November 27, 2015 at 12:56 pm

        How interesting. It may be that Baima Bollone used his image in a display somewhere, and somebody else took a photo of it then. I wonder who?

  4. Antero de Frias Moreira
    November 27, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    This image appears in Dr. Petrus Soons interesting website http://shroud3d.com/home-page/introduction-image-qualities-of-the-shroud-of-turin
    regards
    Antero de Frias Moreira

  5. Hugh Farey
    November 27, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    Yes. It is interesting that the image is captioned ‘superficiality’ on Soons’ website, which is a feature of the image and not of the blood, which has seeped right through to the other side of the cloth. Thinking about that, and of the apparent density of the blood at the sole of the right foot, is it not odd that the rest of the fibres, under the allege blood spotted ones, appear completely spot free?

    Here’s an interesting photo…

    http://localcolordyes.com/blog/2012/05/20/microscope-images-of-flax-fibers/madderyarn1/

    Looks like blood to me…

    • November 27, 2015 at 3:13 pm

      Dr. Soons acknowledged my email to him back in April on this matter, and I assumed he would then take that picture down as an example of superficiality of the image. He never did. I’m a little embarrassed for him.

  6. Louis
    November 27, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    There is no point in discussing images because that has gone on for so long and produced no results, just controversy. That applies to both Shroud and Sudarium. Experts agree that it is the blood that needs to be examined:
    https://www.academia.edu/11804110/Is_the_Sudarium_of_Oviedo_the_key_to_unraveling_the_mystery_of_the_Shroud_of_Turin

  7. November 27, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    I don’t think this image is from the Shroud at all.

    • Louis
      November 27, 2015 at 4:24 pm

      I have no doubts at all about Professor Pier Luigi Baima Bollone’s integrity but this does not help when it comes to one problem. There are people who have objected to the fact that he published his findings in books, not in peer-reviewed journals. Dr. Alan Adler’s findings were peer reviewed;
      Even then, both have a problem, DNA was not known then. That is why I posted the link above so that readers can see that the bloodstains need to examined again.

  8. Thibault HEIMBURGER
    November 27, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    Someone asked: “Do you have any knowledge about it, ie. is this from the picture formation on the Shroud?”

    The answer is NO.

    This picture has nothing to do with the image.
    According to Bollone, it comes from : ” “fibrils from a linen thread taken from the sole of the right foot with granules of pigmented material that immunofluorescence investigations have shown to be human blood.”
    Blood.

    Petrus Soon is wrong.

    Incidentally, I am currently working on McCrone’s (painting) hypothesis with new experiments.

    • piero
      November 28, 2015 at 11:12 am

      Thibault,
      What do you think about the SERS technique?
      — — —
      Here’s another particular question:
      Do you know of any treatment system
      of linen clothes with colloidal gold, then
      subjected to radiation, in order to obtain
      interesting images?

      Is there any hope of getting images,
      even improving the “particular systems”
      used by De Liso (during earthquakes)?

      Link:
      http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/j150508a015

      The Formation of Colloidal Gold

      John Turkevich, Peter C. Stevenson, J. Hillier
      J. Phys. Chem., 1953, 57 (7), pp 670–673

      Publication Date: July 1953
      — — —
      Here another address:
      http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.5b01579

      = “Turkevich in New Robes: Key Questions
      Answered for the Most Common Gold
      Nanoparticle Synthesis”

      ACS Nano, 2015, 9 (7), pp 7052–7071
      Publication Date (Web): July 16, 2015
      Copyright © 2015 American Chemical Society

      Here there is beginning of the Abstract:

      >This contribution provides a comprehensive
      mechanistic picture of the gold nanoparticle
      synthesis by citrate reduction of HAuCl4,
      known as Turkevich method, by addressing
      five key questions.
      >The synthesis leads to monodisperse
      final particles as a result of a seed-mediated
      growth mechanism. … etc. …

  9. Kelly Kearse
    November 28, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    It’s most likely the photo (with the pins) was taken of a display entitled “Microtraces on the Fabric”, which is in the Shroud Museum in Turin. I took some pictures of the display this past summer, including this particular photo, and the pins match up exactly. Each photo is mounted under a thin cover sheet of lucite, which is fastened to the board by the pins.

  10. Kelly Kearse
    November 28, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    It is very likely that the image (with the pins) is a photo of a display entitled “Microtraces on the Fabric) in the Shroud Museum in Turin. I took a photo of the same display this past summer, including this section with the photo, and the pins match exactly. The photos are covered with lucite, which are held to the board by pins.

  11. Hugh Farey
    November 28, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Thanks, Kelly.

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