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ImageJ Used to Compare the Shroud of Turin and the Manoppello Image

June 14, 2014

imageAs a guest posting, O.K. has put together an intriguing image-ladened paper, Shroud of Turin & Manoppello Image Comparison & 3D analysis: Or the magic of ImageJ.  

Jumping to near the end:

Suppose for a moment that both the Shroud and the Manoppello are authentic relics of Jesus. Being so different, they provide complementary information.  The monochromatic Shroud with it’s 3D properties provides a model Jesus outlook. It is essentially like an old sculpture. It provides information about shape of the object, but no other information like skin, eyes, hair colour.

But what [that] model needs is texture. And Manoppello, if genuine may provide it!

It is wonderfully fun to see how powerful ImageJ can be.

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  1. June 14, 2014 at 5:56 am

    Thanks Dan, but I think your description does not reflect the full content of that paper -so I recommend reading it to everyone.

  2. Hugh Farey
    June 14, 2014 at 8:15 am

    Such Fun! OK is to be congratulated. However, his experiments with ImageJ lack a control, so I recommend the following to anybody with time.

    Paste a Shroud face and couple of full-face portraits into a document, overlay them and adjust the proportions until they match as best you can. In many cases you will not have vary the vertical and horizontal proportions, but sometimes you do. Screengrab each one, making sure you grab the same area each time.

    Load them all onto ImageJ, and choose one as your baseplate (say the Shroud). Convert it to 3D, and then change the Texture, via the Load Texture button at the top, to one of the other pictures. This will now be draped over the Shroud relief. Adjust parameters to suit and enjoy.

    For me, pictures of a man with a beard work best. Rasputin matches the Shroud very well (much better than the Manoppello image), as does the actor Brian Blessed, but Kate Middleton was a bit of a disappointment. The best match I’ve found so far is George Clooney.

  3. Max patrick Hamon
    June 14, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Hugh wrote: “Rasputin matches the Shroud very well (much better than the Manoppello image)”. Oh, really?

    • June 14, 2014 at 8:40 am

      Quite possible. We can try. I have no time for this already, but maybe Hugh will provide us the pictures.

  4. June 14, 2014 at 9:11 am

    Thank you, Hugh. Can you also provide us pairs of images, that is pure Shroud, and Shroud with texture (with the same ImageJ 3D Surface plot parameters)?

    You know, adjusting those pictures to the proper size and position is a couple hours work -and I am not sure if you have done it.

  5. George7
    June 14, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Great work O.K!
    But, mouth is open on Manoppello image.
    This could mean (if it is real deal) that it was made before the entombent?

    • June 14, 2014 at 9:38 am

      I think that mouth is also half-open also on the Shroud. Simply jaw is falling due to gravity, even despite the use of chin band.

      Beside it is claimed that in the Manoppello there are multiple images encoded -with different levels of mouth openness. Maybe it is just optical illusion, or maybe…

  6. June 14, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Hugh, Rasputin fails the exam:

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/tlpa.jpg/

    Here you have my Manoppello-adjusted Shroud face from ShroudScope:

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/zrxgb.jpg/

    Adjustment is still not ideal, but allows for some playing in ImageJ. You can download Manoppello from the Wiki:

    Have fun!

    • June 14, 2014 at 9:54 am

      The same with (hopefully) corrected links:

      Rasputin:

      Shroud face:

  7. June 14, 2014 at 9:53 am

    O.K. ~ Are you an imagrey expert?

  8. George7
    June 14, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Interesting position. Yes, I had in mind chin bandage and also, the Oviedo cloth. It would be interesting to see in the equvasion, along with these two cloths, Oviedo cloth.

  9. Max patrick Hamon
    June 14, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Hugh, re “Rasputin match(ing) the Shroud very well (MUCH BETTER (my upper cases) than the Manoppello image)”,

    Why don’t you ask German Trappist nun and iconographer, Sister Blandina Paschalis-
    Schloemer and German Art Historian Professor Heinrich Pfeiffer what they think of you opinion? Methinks you are just AN AMATEUR as far as archaeological image analysis/cryptanalysis is concerned.

    • June 14, 2014 at 10:11 am

      Why don’t you ask German Trappist nun and iconographer, Sister Blandina Paschalis-
      Schloemer and German Art Historian Professor Heinrich Pfeiffer what they think of you opinion? Methinks you are just AN AMATEUR as far as archaeological image analysis/cryptanalysis is concerned.

      Methinks they are also amateurs as to the image matching, and interpretations coming from it. And so do I. I think the proper people for that job are not in the academic Institutes of Art History, but rather in police department.

      There is certainly a possibility of false positives here.

      Meanwhile, as to the mouth, here is a scan from Treppa’s book. Treppa made in September 2008 150 photographs of the Manoppello, documenting it under different lighting conditions. And that’s what he found:

  10. Louis
    June 14, 2014 at 10:12 am

    In their book Fathers Werner Bulst and Heinrich Pfeiffer used the overlay method for the Manoppello and the TS face images and this was commented on by IW when he was editor of the BSTS newsletter. He found it was cleverly done, however, unlike Pfeiffer, he does not believe it is a cloth with a link to Jesus.

    The Manoppello veil still contains some mysteries which cannot be solved that easily, the glass cannot be removed, but there is no doubt that it was also touched up, like the Guadalupe image, and this complicates matters.

  11. Max patrick Hamon
    June 14, 2014 at 10:12 am

    The image of teeth on the Shroud face is due to banding effect. Most likely the Manoppello Veil artist copied the pareidolia/optical illusion hence the mouth open.

  12. George7
    June 14, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Then again, there is one more image that I always have in mind (sorry for the bad scan). It was published in Ian’s book “Holy faces, secret places”: http://i57.tinypic.com/r1bn2p.jpg

  13. Hugh Farey
    June 14, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I don’t understand why Rasputin fails your test. I didn’t even use the photo you used: I used a pencil sketch as it was more full face. Your diagram only shows how well it matches! Anyway, this is how I play with ImageJ: http://i.imgur.com/RGmkcaw.jpg.

  14. George7
    June 14, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Thank u for the article O.K! I was under impression that original layer of Genoa Mandylion might be genuine, but now i get it that I was wrong.

  15. George7
    June 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    And sorry for the late response. Internet connections in rural parts of Serbia are disastrous.

  16. June 14, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Hugh:

    I don’t understand why Rasputin fails your test. I didn’t even use the photo you used: I used a pencil sketch as it was more full face.

    Perhaps this is the reason why Rasputin failed this exam (besides the photo seems to be reversed).

    Anyway, in his second term he is much better:

    However, it is not the most important whether Rasputin’s face proportions matches the Shroud or not. Even in the latter case, you can always find some face with appropriate proportions. That’s the case of false positive matches, which -I underline this -I haven’t considered in this paper, it was not my purpose there. I wrote: For now, I leave aside assesment of how good and significant is this match between Shroud and Manoppello faces.

    The purpose of my paper, was merely to show the abilities of ImageJ +some interesting features. So every ‘shroudie’ can make own, even quite really serious research.

    And of course, opportunities that may arise, if some other Shroud-related relics (like Manoppello) are genuine.

    Hugh, if you have CorelDraw, I can send you via Dan my comparison template.

  17. Louis
    June 14, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    The face of the Portuguese friar St. Anthony of Padua (born in Lisbon) has been reconstructed, with which programme I do not know. The reconstructed face reminds one of a clean-shaven Telly Savalas in a way. So is it Anthony or Savalas?
    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2014/06/13/what-st-anthonys-face-teaches-us-about-the-transcendent-in-man/

  18. June 14, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    OK ~ If you won’t answer that previous question, would you mind telling me your background?

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