Shroud Congresses – Places where fantasies are peddled?

imageColin Berry writes in his blog:

As promised on The Other Site, I shall no longer mince my words . . .

Yawn (heard similar threats from Colin). So here we go:

. . . This retired science bod grows ever more appalled by the pseudo-science being peddled to support the authenticity of the Shroud as the cloth that was used to wrap the crucified Christ.

The latest egregious example is from the same paper that was the subject of my previous posting, the one by  Barbara Faccini and Giulio Fanti   (“F&F”)at the  International Workshop on the Scientific Approach(sic) on the Acheiropoietos Images (May 2010) .

I pretty much agree.

Their paper makes an extraordinary claim in the Introduction, repeated in the Conclusions, namely that one can discern a time sequence of events by examining the bloodstains on the Shroud – the latter including the scourge marks. They claim that there was a caning first with flexible rods (Type 2 implement) followed by scourging with the Roman flagrum (Type 1) followed by some limited beating of the legs (Type 3) followed finally by the major stains from the nail wounds in the wrists, the spear in the side etc,

I pretty much agree with that, too. But now Colin gets nutty.

Since when has it been the role of allegedly scientific congresses to peddle fantasies that are unsupported by data?  Those two authors do a disservice to science (but I note that the second is an Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering, so may not be too bothered about the sensibilities of scientists such as myself).

You couldn’t make it up. Well, you could  and you probably do – frequently -  if you are  a Shroudie so-called scientist. Yup, someone was clearly intent on getting a  rapturous round of applause at the end of delivering that paper to fellow Shroudies at their so-called ” International Workshop on the Scientific(sic) Approach”.

Has Colin ever been to a shroud congress? In many cases, papers such as he mentions are met with tough questioning. (One of the purposes of this blog is to pose more questions.) Many congresses or conferences have been closed to the public. More recently, they are open: not to peddle fantasies but to expose ideas and allow opinion to flow. As for a rapturous round of applause? Was he there?  As Colin does frequently, it is so much easier to belittle than deal with real substantive criticism.

PS: Dan Porter is free as usual to flag up this paper on his shroudofturin site, but I shall no longer be responding to questions there.

Yawn (heard these threats from Colin before, as well).

Ego trip: Shroudie Congresses – places where fantasies are peddled

20 thoughts on “Shroud Congresses – Places where fantasies are peddled?”

  1. Take care: excessive yawning can be a symptom of several maladies, including epilepsy, progressive supranuclear palsy, brain tumors, anxiety, heart attack, encephalitis and multiple sclerosis. Excessive yawning may also be the side effect of a medication you are currently taking, including antidepressants and medications for Parkinson’s Disease.

  2. A yawing old oilscience boiled eel! A must see! What about the tsetse fly desease and a pain in the eelneck?

    1. Typo correction “stress” (do hope my typo correction don’t add too much to your respective yawing symptom…)

  3. My current post has what I believe to be the first 3D-enhanced pictures of “scourge marks”, Dan, obtained from a combination of 2002 Durante HD images, Shroud Scope and ImageJ software…

    Scores? Indentations? Furrows? Wounds? Puckered edges?

    Move along folks, yawn, nothing to see here…

  4. Hope old oilscienceboiled eel’s chronic yawings will clear up his oldbod sight-and-brain… Do take a deep breath.

  5. I was going to write: “He’ll be back, the Hound of Heaven won’t give up, even on Colin.” But too late! He got here already!

  6. I can see an imaginary archeaological bloodpattern analyst when I see one…

  7. typo error: “I can recognise an archaeological blood pattern imaginary analyst when I see one.”

  8. Get behind me MePHisto! And who did the ALL BLACKS beat to win the World Cup? Hah! coq-a-doodle ohdear …

  9. Very good pun on me (MePHisto), I do appreciate it…too bad you just can appreciate my sense of ALL BLACK humour….

  10. It would seem to me that Colin, who can tell truth from fiction in his review of f&f, would be able to differentiate between real scientific study (most of the documents on Shroud.com, for example), from this kind of stuff, of which you mainly agree. Yet Colin, who claimed he would not be responding, has done so in a way that really removes all his credibility. Guess I’ll have to talk to Shroud Researchers I know and pass this by.

    1. What I said was Andy Weiss was that I would no longer be responding to questions here. In case you had not noticed there is a difference between “not be responding” and “no longer be responding to questions”. That you should seize on a comment of mine, distort it, and then attempt to use it as a blanket condemnation of my “credibility” if of course symptomatic of what passes for debate on this site, and why responding to questions here is simply to lay oneself open to the kind of genteel smear tactics employed here.

      This retired science bod has simply had enough of the ad hom attacks, most if not all attempting in one fashion or another to impugn my personal integrity.

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