FANTASTIC: David Rolfe, renowned for British Academy Award winning The Silent Witness and other shroud related video productions, writes:
Championing the Shroud here in the UK is a bit of a cry in the wilderness and I am beginning to get a little hoarse. However, I keep shouting and my latest attempt is a new site which can be found here: www.shroud-enigma.com
I have tried to make it as dispassionate and objective as possible and to encourage visitors to mount their own investigation. In this vast subject there is much not yet included but, over time, I hope the investigation will continue to broaden.
Inspired by the great waves of interest invoked on Dan’s site I have set up a competition with a minimum of $1,000 prize to determine the best suggested method for creating the Shroud image consistent with what we know and mediaeval techniques and materials. (I hope, Dan, you might use this to good effect). The winner does not have to show how a particular method can replicate the Shroud image but only come closest among the entries to a way of doing so. Of course, we cannot rule out the possibility that the answer will finally emerge and that will be – to say the least – interesting.
I hope to get advice from SSG members on the best way to broaden the investigation and contributions will be welcome. I have yet to determine the best way to judge the competition and would welcome advice on this, too. In my dreams, Richard Dawkins will take up the challenge. The gauntlet is laid down, anyway. He can give the $1,000 to his favourite charity as he would appear not to need the money.
Additionally on the site there is some C14 testing footage that was new to me.
With all good wishes
Be sure to explore. Use the Menu button. Find the Introduction button under Investigation. There is some great stuff. It is a fun site.
The $1000 competition is the least of it for most of us who are quite convinced that the image is not medieval. But for some, it should be interesting; Colin will you step up to the challenge. Early on, you should be able to offer suggestions for judging the contest.
is there any manmade object from antiquity that exists today that the present generation of scientists and artists can not reproduce which bears all the original’s characteristics. I only know of one but would like to know of others. but the one I know of is not man made
Sounds like a great idea at first, until one realizes that people will always cop out of the difficulty by suggesting that certain qualities of the Shroud actually aren’t there, or are the result of Christian scientists pushing an agenda.
Look up what that Garlaschelli guy said about Shroud properties he didn’t manage to “recreate” (his image was pathetically crude, but I did like the hands), and thats EXACTLY the kind of lame excuse you are liable to hear.
At least you’ll get to keep your $1000.
I think cash prizes can make a very effective public statement. Some years back I tried to sell Barrie Schwortz on the idea of a big cash prize for anyone who could create a shroud with the established characteristics of the real thing (a list would be provided). He didn’t seem to warm to the idea, but I still think it’s a good idea. In the field of parapsychology, the Randi Prize (The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge) is something skeptics constantly wave in the face of anyone who suggests that paranormal abilities have been demonstrated in the lab. It’s quite an effective weapon.
If we had something comparable for the Shroud, we would have the same response to ANYONE who claims to reproduce the Shroud: “Then why haven’t you submitted your theory to the Shroud Challenge?” Just imagine the media power in that.
Without a lot of fanfare, I set up a similar competition just a week or so ago, Mr. Rolfe, with an even bigger prize – £1000 – and promptly declared myself the winner ;-)
La pirografía tiene más de 2000 años de antigüedad, y hace obras maravillosas, incluso reproducciones preciosas del ROSTRO de la Sábana Santa como la realizada por la artista Irene Corgiat
La periodista Vittoria Haziel presentó su propuesta de que la Sábana estaba realizada por la acción de calor, PIROGRABADO, ante un congreso del CICAP (escépticos italianos) el 24-02-2001. Mostró en su apoyo el excelente pirograbado del ROSTRO del Hombre de la Sábana realizado por Irene Corgiat, pero NO convenció a los escépticos entre los que se contaban varios “notables” como Garlaschelli, Tomatis y Gonella.
Ahora, Collin, ha llegado SU MOMENTO ¡convenza a los escépticos o convénzanos a nosotros!
¡Pero con PRUEBAS, no con el bla,bla,bla,bla!
Muestrenos usted las características MICROSCÓPICAS de las fibras de lino sometidas a su experiencia y que presenten características similares a las de la Sábana de Turín.
Creo más que suficiente para que su experimento sea muy INTERESANTE el que las fibrillas muestren la afectación de la pared celular primaria….. o una película de tamaño similar que la rodee SIN afectar la médula.
Lo demás, el bla,bla,bla,bla, es pura CHARLATANERÍA.
Google translation of co’s comment:
The pyrography has more than 2000 years old, and it works wonderful, even beautiful views of the face of the Shroud as by artist Irene Corgiat
Vittoria Haziel journalist presented his proposal that the Shroud was made by the action of heat, pyrography, before a congress of CIPAC (Italian skeptics) on 24/02/2001. Showed the excellent support of FACE pyrography Man of the Shroud by Irene Corgiat, but did not convince the skeptics among whom were several “notables” as Garlaschelli Tomatis and Gonella.
Now, Collin, time has come to convince skeptics and convince us to us!
But with EVIDENCE, not the blah, blah, blah, blah!
Show us you microscopical characteristics of flax fibers under its experience and that have similar characteristics to those of the Shroud of Turin.
I think more than enough for your experiment is very interesting that the fibrils show the involvement of the primary cell wall ….. or a film of similar size that surrounds the spinal NO affect.
Moreover, the blah, blah, blah, blah, is pure quackery.
Mere examination under a hand lens is sufficient to show that the fainter levels of scorching (but still easily visible) is confined solely to the crowns of the threads, which sit proud of the mean surface – essentially as reported by Raymond Rogers for the Shroud image.
Commonsense alone should tell you that a light contact scorch will be confined to the crowns. Paolo Di Lazzaro please note (he never did come back to me when I criticized him for conducting his hot coin experiment at an excessively high temperature, based on a inappropriate and irrelevant literature reference).
Oh, and less of the bla bla if you don’t mind – which i consider demeaning. I have been reporting experiments online, and in real time, complete with photographic evidence in a series of some two dozen posts. Action speaks louder than words….
So how many experiments have you done – or anyone else on this site for that matter, excluding those surviving STURP members who look in from time to time?
Lo denigrante es que llame ciencia Mickey Mouse a la que realiza Di Lazzaro en tanto usted nos cuenta “cuentos chinos” ( la pirografía nació en China en tiempos de la dinastía Han).
Lo denigrante es “que nos tome el pelo”, que significa que pretende reírse de los lectores……
Creo que el Prof. Garlaschelli, del CICAP, estaría encantado de conocer su método y reproducir, aunque fuera parcialmente, la Sábana……aunque me temo que ya lo conoce bastante bien y que usted tendría que mostrarle algo más que PALABRAS.
I suppose I should be grateful to “co” in one respect, however,for bringing to my attention the remarkable work of Irene Corgiat with her “electric pyrograph tool”, to produce a remarkable likeness of the face on the Shroud.
I have just this minute uploaded her pyrograph into ImageJ sofware to check it out for “encoded 3D information”. The result is reported and briefly discussed as a postscript on a recent post on my own site re what I call “scorchography’:
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