John Klotz writes:
I am attaching another image of the Justinian coin circa 652 CE. It’s much clearer (as advertised) than the images I have seen. To me the difference between the left eye and right eye are pronounced. Christ has a "shiner" on the right eye. Isn’t that unique to the Shroud?
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The Pantocrater icon was an idealized Christ with no signs of the Passion. Wilson references in plate 17d of his latest book a Syrian representation on silver vase in the Louvre but I can not tell from my Kindle copy what it shows for the right eye. Anyone have the hardcopy?
I know we have trouble with people seeing things that may not be there, but the swelling in the area of the right cheek/eye has been noted by others. Any opinions?
What say you all? See Robert Bucklin, An Autopsy on the Man of the Shroud, “There is a distinct abrasion at the tip of the nose and the right cheek is distinctly swollen as compared with the left cheek.”
Coin source: The Deutsche Bank Justinian
Here as on a number of other coins, we see these strange swellings below the beard, that correspond to the ‘object under the beard’ commented on by Petrus Soons, among others.
http://shroud3d.com/findings/solid-oval-object-under-the-beard
The plate is actually 17c in Wilson’s book and it shows the right eye, (when looking at the plate) the personage’s left eye, being somewhat distorted, swelled and (closed?) and right cheek as being quite swollen. The ‘personage’s’ right eye looks pretty normal….too me anyway…..an artist’s mistake?
R
I like it! Possible reservations about extent that the blow-up may have been massaged by photo-editing. Also agree with reservation that you see what you want to see. Obvious craft limitations on making the original die for the coins. However it has several of the Vignon markings. Two strands of hair have been stylized to inverted V. Also V on bridge of nose, swollen cheeks, forked beard, three-sided “square” between brows, double-line on throat stylized as a collar (but also some other embellishment around throat area); Shiner on right eye, yes, but was this a coin or other metal object on eye after death? If modelled on Christ Pantocrator, or copy of Mandylion, persuasive evidence that Mandylion was indeed Shroud.
For a Byzantine coin representing Christ with a swelling cheek, an impressive example is from the reign of Constantine VII. It was minted in 945. See
http://www.sindonology.org/byzantineCoins/coins.shtml
for descriptive text and photographs of that coin.
¡Deberíais prestar más atención a los los linkas de los comentarios! ¡Ja, Ja!
Escribí:
February 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm | #4 Reply | Quote
“Una mejor imagen de un solidus de Justiniano II, este de la colección del “Deutsche Bundesbank”
http://www.moneymuseum.com/imgs/xcoins/image/2009/7/I_O_3847_2.jpg “
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You should pay more attention to the linkas the comments!Ha, Ha!
I wrote:
February 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm | # 4 Reply | Quote
“A better picture of a solidus of Justinian II, this collection of” Deutsche Bundesbank ”
http://www.moneymuseum.com/imgs/xcoins/image/2009/7/I_O_3847_2.jpg
You are right. Sometimes I get to my regular email faster than I get to comments. One reason is that regular email gets to me on my iPhone when I’m not blogging.
Thanks, co. I will try to be more careful.
Disculpame Dan, prestaste buena atención, creí que la imagen procedía del amigo Klotz….
Google Translation of co’s comment:
Dan Excuse me, lent good service, I thought the image came from Klotz friend ….
That’s a very rough coin, overall. The letters fade in and out, which was either a problem with the original mold or the mold is getting old (over-used) or the person minting it was very sloppy. So to make any attempt to derive such DETAILS or SIGNIFICANCE from such a sloppy coin is not a good idea in my opinion.
I’m very very glad there are Shroud experts on this planet. But I think y’all are desperate for something to talk about, frankly.
The forked beard and overall shape of the face stand out the most to me.
Dan, ese solidus NO es del año 652 en que el emperador de Bizancio era Constante II.
El solidus es de Justiniano II, que fue emperador dos veces, entre el 685-695 y entre el 705-711.
Probablemente (“lapsus mentis”) habeis querido poner el año 692.
Google Translation of co’s comment
Dan, the solidus is NOT the year 652 when the Byzantine emperor Constans II era.
The solidus is Justinian II, who was emperor twice, between 685-695 and between 705-711.
Probably (“lapsus mentis”) you have wanted to put the year 692.