If you should go back and read Tom Chivers’ blog in The Telegraph – why would you unless you were tipped off that it had been modified – you might notice some carefully crafted, much needed corrections. One is admitted to below, one he just snuck in.
One paragraph now reads:
I mention this because today, we report that a group of scientists – working, unexpectedly, for the Italian sustainable energy agency ENEA – claim that the marks on the cloth may have been made by ultraviolet radiation. [Note: originally I quoted them as saying it could "only" have been made by UV. Dr Paolo Di Lazzaro of ENEA has emailed to say that’s not the case, so I’ve updated it.] They say that "When one talks about a flash of light being able to colour a piece of linen in the same way as the shroud, discussion inevitably touches on things like miracles and resurrection," and that they "hope our results can open up a philosophical and theological debate". They do, however, say "as scientists, we were concerned only with verifiable scientific processes." (bold emphasis mine)
This has been confirmed to me by Dr. Di Lazzaro.
Here is the sneakier change. This is how a paragraph read before (I kept a copy):
Regarding the ENEA findings, he is similarly sceptical. "Just because you can create similar results using an ultraviolet laser, that doesn’t mean it’s the only way it could have been made in the first place," he says. "There are several possibilities, and it could just be a chance effect due to a number of different phenomena. But in archaeological science, being able to reproduce something, doesn’t imply that that’s the technique used; it may simply show that you’ve got a new technique you want to try out." He adds that the confidence in the medieval result is such that, were it not suggested to be a relic, there would be no more discussion over its age.
Here is how it now reads.
Regarding the ENEA findings, he is similarly sceptical."There are several possibilities, and it could just be a chance effect due to a number of different phenomena," he say. "But in archaeological science, being able to reproduce something doesn’t imply that that’s the technique used; it may simply show that you’ve got a new technique you want to try out." He adds that the confidence in the medieval result is such that, were it not suggested to be a relic, there would be no more discussion over its age.
Chivers, after the fact, recently removed this sentence from the quotation attributed to Dr. Ramsey: “Just because you can create similar results using an ultraviolet laser, that doesn’t mean it’s the only way it could have been made in the first place.” He doesn’t tell us, in any obvious way that I can see, that he changed it in the online article. Did he do so because Dr. Ramsey didn’t say it or did he do so because Dr. Ramsey based that part of his statement on erroneous information fed to him by Chivers. He has not informed his readers, that I can see. Has he informed Dr. Ramsey?
Worse than the sneaky change is the downstream effect. In today’s blogosphere, quotes get repeated over and over. Chivers changing of facts in this story is very regrettable. As a journalist he should publish a clear retraction, not try to sneak one over on us.
Maybe not trying to be sneaky… it appears to me to be an honest effort to tweak the article for accuracy.
I don’t think it’s fair to assign motive to Mr. Chivers because we don’t really know WHY he did it. There may have been noble intentions in revising the article, and at least he DOES mention that he has revised it.
I think it’s amusing that some news agencies have announced there is proof that the Shroud was produced by supernatural means. That oughta drive the skeptics out of their minds. And for all we know, it may be the truth. Maybe God is in this more than you know. Especially if it’s His Shroud. :D
Besides, it’s very typical of UK news media to exaggerate things for sensationalism. Even worse than the USA news media, apparently. This was quite predictable.
Perhaps there is Divine method behind this madness. At least people are talking about the Shroud and that’s probably a good thing.
Annie I think your too nice! This Journalist has just lost all credibility! Sure most all journalists are probably quilty of the same thing but to totally misquote someone to meet your own means? I’d fire the guy, if he worked for me….and not give him a reference lol.
Misinformation is a plague on society, just ask Yannick he understands, and is quite upset about this whole story, I empathize with him.
It’s disgusting; journanlism today. It’s a sign of how screwed up this world has become, sadly.
R
It’s funny Dan because I had a serious problem with Ramsey actually making that last comment which was removed.(i.e; “Just because you can create similar results…”) and which many here agreed on. My problem is; I don’t think that comment is exactly correct. Atleast from everything and anything I understand of archaeological science. Although there may be some truth to the statement, it is actually not that clear-cut. It is a science of probabilities. Hense IF something can be reproduced to simulate the artifact’s original condition, it is most probably the correct method. If people were to accept the above comment’s reasoning, then they must question any and every conclusion that has ever been made of anyother artifact found to date. Or in our little world here of the Shroud, the probable method of the “material” manufacturer of the Shroud itself as hypothesized by some.
R