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A Special Study Day: People With Different Takes on the Shroud

October 17, 2014

imageWhat follows is a Google Translation of an announcement for a day of talks, "L’enigma della Sindone" to be held at the University of Rome on October 30, 2014.  This is being sponsored by the Chemistry Department.

Note carefully the objective of this event. Note, too, some of the names familiar to readers of this blog, like Luigi Garlaschielli, Paolo Di Lazzaro and Andrea Nicolotti, people with very different takes on the shroud.


THE ENIGMA OF THE SHROUD

Science and history are wondering about the mysterious Shroud of Turin

Study day with the Round Table is open

Thursday, October 30, 2014 – 8:30 to 18:00 hours

Parravano Hall, Department of Chemistry

Sapienza University of Rome

Objectives of the event

  • The event takes place before the new Exposition of the Shroud in 2015 and soon after the meeting of Bari and St. Louis dedicated to it: a look at the present thinking of the future steps.
  • Discuss the different aspects that the Shroud takes the observer assigned and not assigned.
  • Analytically examine how science and research have addressed the problem.
  • Evaluate the reflections cultural, religious, historical problem.

Information and reservations

  • The event is open to all with free admission.

  • Participation in the buffet and the purchase of the DVD with the recording of the event is € 25.00.

  • Reservations must be sent to the email luigi.campanella@uniroma1.it(link sends e-mail) by Saturday, October 25, 2014.

  • The conference will be video recorded.

Syllabus


08:30 to 09:00
Registration for the Workshop


09:15 to 09:30
Salutation
prof. Aldo Lagana, Director of Department of Chemistry
prof. Luigi Frati, Rector of Sapienza
prof. Giancarlo Ruocco, Pro Rector Research Sapienza


9:30 to 9:45
Introduction to the study day
prof. Luigi Campanella, Sapienza University of Rome, Chairman


09:45 to 10:15
The Shroud and the problem of "reproduction"
prof. Luigi Garlaschielli, University of Pavia


10:15 to 10:45
Characteristics of the Shroud image and attempts to play the photochemical
dr. Paolo Di Lazzaro, Enea, home to Frascati


10:45 to 11:00
Space for questions and short questions


11:00 to 11:30
Coffee-break


11:30 to 12:00
The translation of the Mandylion from Edessa to Constantinople
prof. Philip Burgarella, University of Calabria


12:00 to 12:30
Shroud history and pseudo-history: gleanings of methodology
prof. Andrea Nicolotti, University of Turin


12:30 to 12:45
Space for questions and short questions


12:45 to 13:45
Lunch break by the organization


14:00 to 17:00
Open round table with four speakers: What stimuli and what prospects towards the solution of a historic dilemma.

Moderator chairman prof. Luigi Campanella

The panel discussion will be introduced by four short presentations of the speakers at the preliminary discussion.
Applications to be submitted must be made ​​in writing before the start of the afternoon session.
Each questionante has 3 minutes to explain the reasons for his request.


17:00 to 17:30
Conclusions

  1. Louis
    October 17, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Nice to see that Professor Luigi Garlaschelli’s paper is entitled “The Shroud and the problem of ‘Reproduction'”.

  2. piero
    October 17, 2014 at 9:48 am

    I am very curious to know something about the state of the research conducted by Professor Campanella.
    That Chemistry Professor had announced that it has developed new methods for dating artifacts cellulose (wood, paper, vegetable textile fibers).
    He had stated that his methods would be suitable for dating the Shroud of Turin …
    Unfortunately there has been no recent news about this area.
    Am I wrong ?
    — —
    Then we have to know what he want to say in the : “Introduction to the study day”…
    In my opinion we need to know at least something about what it will mean Professor Campanella.
    So I ask:
    No one knows the past words spoken in the past by Prof. Campanella?
    There is no registration or a summary ?
    — —
    I do not think that nuclear experts and geologists are present (ie: see the famous question of aragonite and location for its origin) …
    — — *** *** — —
    Instead the discussion that took place (in this blog) about the “speed of the Resurrection” made me come up with who first brought about an important measure …
    Rømer’s determination of the speed of light was the demonstration in 1676 that light has a finite speed!
    That light Rømer estimated would take about 22 minutes to travel a distance equal to the diameter of Earth’s orbit around the Sun: this is equivalent to about 220,000 Kilometres per second in modern units, about 26% lower than the true value …
    Unfortunately most of Rømer’s papers were destroyed in the Copenhagen Fire of 1728, but one manuscript that survived contains a listing of about sixty observations of eclipses of Io from 1668 to 1678…
    So … …returning to our interesting and lengthy discussions …
    Where are our estimates for the phenomenon of “Resurrection”?
    I think we have to consider a bit better studies done by Paolo Di Lazzaro…
    — —
    I apologize for the length of this small intervention…

  3. Louis
    October 17, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Piero, good suggestion, I had raised the issue from the point of view of biblical studies and therefore theology, leaving the rest to scientists.

  4. piero
    October 18, 2014 at 6:18 am

    Waiting for the exact explanation of Prof. Dr Paolo Di Lazzaro about his ideas about the speed of light and the Resurrection (I think that in its interpretation are approximately equal, and then depending on the thickness of the effect of color produced on linen fibers we can infer something about the right measurement …) we can say a few words about the past of Science …
    -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
    The speed of light and the speed of Resurrection …
    (History of Science can help us).

    There is an analogy with “our problem” :
    the scholarly ambiguities of Descartes illustrate how high the difficulties were :
    a propagation of light “within an instant” : a very short moment?
    or an instantaneous phenomenon?
    In the “Dioptrique” Descartes seems to conclude in favour of an instantaneous propagation
    (a duration that would be independent of the distance)…
    … But in a letter to Mersenne he wrote:
    “I declare contradictory that an infinite velocity may occur in Nature”
    Source : Costabel, 1978: “La propagation de la lumière sans trasport de matière de Descartes à Huygens”,
    in Roemer et la vitesse de la Lumière, Paris, Vrin.

    Creativity and Technology in Experimentation.

    I understand that an event open to the public in Rome (next workshop at La Sapienza University)
    is not an Analytical Laboratory and also direct confrontations of scholars having different views is not a Lab team work…

    Cellulose is synthesized in plant at the cell membrane by an ordered synthase complex
    by polymerization of glucose residues using beta-glycosidic bonds.
    Nanometer thick crystalline microfibrils have high tensile strength and make up
    the fundamental structural unit in plant cell walls.
    There is also a matrix of other polysaccharides that cross-link the microfibrils
    using hydrogen bonding. Then see also the question of “Hydrogen bonding plane”.
    If I am right Hydrogen bonding play a role in linen material as :
    – Intramolecular Hydrogen bonding
    – Intrasheet Hydrogen bonding
    – Intersheet .Hydrogen bonding.
    High-resolution microscopy provided evidence for the presence of single crystal microfibrils.

    The nano crystalline cellulose (NCC or CNC) usage as reinforcement in biodegradable polymeric
    systems is a relatively new field in Nanotechnology …
    The type of nano crystals obtained from wood have similar properties to carbon nanotubes (CNT)
    such as stiffness and tensile strength.
    Their dimension is 2-5 nm x 150-300 nm …
    The axial modulus of crystalline cellulose is near 150 GPa which is greater than Kevlar (130 GPa).

    Using AFM techniques on linen fibrils we can detect something about structural features and
    morphology of ancient fibrils is different with respect modern fibrils.
    AFM force–displacement curves can be obtained by applying a vertical force in direction of CNC
    diameter (transverse direction).
    The mechanical properties of CNC (and, for example, mica) are known to be anisotropic.
    But here I never wrote something about transverse elastic modulus (= differences)
    or readily accessible surface of strain-distorted tilt and twist regions…

    If the linen fibrils treated with alpha particles are more brittle,
    then the results obtained from three-point (=3P) bending tests
    (… or from AFM nanomechanical mapping) will be different
    with respect the untreated linen material.

    We can easily measure these differences using the 3P bending test
    (or with AFM nanomechanical mapping)
    Also AFM 3P bending tests on fibrils can solve in part our burning thirst of knowledge.
    But we can reach an improved knowledge comparing the results obtained working
    at micro and nano level with the other at macro level …

  5. October 18, 2014 at 6:31 am

    The speed of light is utterly irrelevant to the study of the image image formation of the Shroud. If it is authentic, it happened in a dark, sealed tomb, in the middle of the night. If the body began to emit light, it was because of a miracle, during which God could have made the speed of light any value he wished, or indeed, instantaneous. That’s miracles for you.

    • piero
      October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am

      In my opinion, Prof. Dr. Di Lazzaro do not think like Hugh Farey …
      However, I do not propose the theory that the Resurrection was
      an instantaneous phenomenon, I just want to see the data obtained
      and what Science can tell us …
      And frankly, I think these words inaccurate produce only vain discourses …
      What might be of interest is an accurate measurement.

      See also the question of controls about the true epoch …
      We need the AFM control of linen fibrils and the AFM 3-point bending test (and/or
      the nanomechanical mapping)…

      Who can do these jobs ?

      • Piero
        October 20, 2014 at 6:22 am

        Both AFM and TEM can achieve nanometer resolution and are therefore effective for imaging cellulose nanocrystals.
        But this is not the exact wok that we have to do…

        What we have to see is the difference (behavior) for ancient and modern linen fibrils.

        But my first interest (in 1998) was the determination of cellulosic DP using the AFM techniques in order to guess something about the true epoch for the material …

  6. Louis
    October 18, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Glad to see that Hugh is following my lead.

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