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The Manoppello: This little cloth cannot be further ignored in Shroud research!

June 18, 2014

imageO.K. sends along an addendum to his recent paper, Shroud of Turin & Manoppello Image Comparison & 3D analysis: Or the magic of ImageJ.

So now, enjoy Addendum: Shroud of Turin & Manoppello Image Comparison & 3D analysis: Or the magic of ImageJ continues in which he drives home the point:

For now I leave aside further discussion about Manoppello, it’s possible authenticity, and relation to the Shroud and Veil of Veronica. The final conclusion is: This little cloth cannot be further ignored in Shroud research! (emphasis his but reduced in size by me)

  1. June 19, 2014 at 3:10 am

    No one interested yet?

  2. Piero
    June 20, 2014 at 9:44 am

    We have to know what are the results obtained from spectroscopic analyses.
    For example :
    years ago I have sent a request to I.N.O.A. (Florence)…
    Until now (and despite the very interesting claims by Donato Vittore, Giulio Fanti, etc.) I have not yet seen the inherent useful spectroscopic examinations (= transparence spectroscopy, etc.).
    — —
    In an italian blog (years ago = 2006. = Old words !) I wrote something (in italian language. Sorry !):

    http://www.sindone.altervista.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44&sid=4608ab66afb8a33376529247815dcc56
    — — —
    Have you found an interesting new information about the useful scientific controls?

  3. Piero
    June 20, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Here another address :
    http://www.voltosanto.it/Italiano/dati/BOLLETTINI/dicembre2020.pdf

    I believe you have to read the pages from 34 to 38, report by Bianchi (but the translation from italian to english language is required in order to understand) …
    An inconclusive work …
    And I have found no other informations!

    • June 20, 2014 at 12:04 pm

      Thanks Piero. Perhaps I had seen this report once, but cannot recall when or whether it was indeed this.

      The general problem with any examination, spectroscopic or otherwiese, is the impossibility to remove glasses. They are obstacle -they produce reflexes, and are not transparent to every band of electromagnetic spectrum.

      Anyway, I see it extremely unlikely for Manoppello to be a painting. I have a question/challenge for all sceptics. Hugh, Gian Marco, anyone. If this is indeed a painting, how has it been made?

  4. Piero
    June 23, 2014 at 11:18 am

    You wrote :
    >The general problem with any examination, spectroscopic or otherwiese, is the impossibility to remove glasses. They are obstacle -they produce reflexes, and are not transparent to every band of electromagnetic spectrum
    So …
    I think we have to control the little stains of blood on Manoppello’s Veil (Have you seen the areas with these little stains ?).

    I have found an old reference (2010) to the blood by San Gennaro, Januarius is the patron saint of Naples (see also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Januarius).

    Unfortunately the articles are in italian language :
    http://www.forumfamiglie.org/allegati/rassegna_17724.pdf

    The Catholic Church does not permit the vials to be opened, for fear that doing so may cause irreparable damage. This makes close analysis impossible, obviously. Nevertheless, a spectroscopic analysis performed in 1902 by Gennaro Sperindeo and Raffaele Januario claimed that the spectrum was consistent with hemoglobin. A later analysis, with similar conclusions, was carried out in 1989
    Then, read the paper :
    F. D’Onofrio; P. L. Baima Bollone;M. Cannas; quoted by Cardinal Michele Giordano (1990), Prolusione, in Proceedings of the Symposium on the VI centenary of the first liquefaction of the blood (1389–1989), December 1989, Napoli, Torre del Greco (Napoli), p. 10
    Years ago I have bought (and read) the inherent book by Baima Bollone …

    What is your comment (…apart the problem with the wavelength to use
    during examinations) about the spectoscopic analyses on little blood stains ?

    • June 23, 2014 at 11:41 am

      What is your comment (…apart the problem with the wavelength to use
      during examinations) about the spectoscopic analyses on little blood stains ?

      Spectroscopic analysis are of course possible. There is some minor problem with glass, which has its systematic effect on transparency indifferent wavelenght, which should be taken into account. According to interview with prof. Jaworski (see http://www.manoppello.eu/html/jaworski.html , only polish version, sorry, try Google Translator), the glass is not transparent in the UV band that is responsible for byssus fluorescence. The blood should be no great problem, but if you want to know my opinion, I doubt that those blood stains are real blood. Rather images of bloodstains.

  5. Piero
    June 26, 2014 at 9:22 am

    >” images of bloodstains” … … ?

    Where is the inherent proof ?
    Thak you in advance …

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