What if Jesus Defies Expectations Again

clip_image001Stephen in his blog, Psalm Trees: Apologia of an Island Catholic, sees it all perhaps because the cloth, like Christ, defies expectations

On the other hand, Christ himself had a habit of defying people’s expectations.  The Jews expected a King who would ride in on a great charger and vanquish their enemies.  Instead, they got an itinerant rabbi who rode a donkey, challenged their understanding of the Law and then suffered an agonizing death upon a cross at Golgotha.  Hardly fit the job description of a Messiah now, did it?  But if we look as closely at the Shroud as we do the person of Jesus in the Gospels, we find confirmation of the miracle of Resurrection.  We find empirical evidence validating Christ’s Gospel claims as to his identity and his purpose in this world.  In other words, from the Shroud emerges a physical representation of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, hope of the world and guarantor of eternal life to all that place their faith in Him.  Quite remarkable to find all that in a dirty piece of linen!

But, well: 

Of course, it goes without saying that if the Shroud does turn out to be a clever fraud or some sort of natural formation, it would not impact the truth claims of Christianity at all.  Its authenticity is either evidence overwhelmingly in favor of Resurrection or it is evidence of nothing at all.  The only thing it cannot be is evidence against the Resurrection.

The Naturalists:

It is possible however, that the Shroud could provide a powerful, empirical challenge to the naturalist worldview. If it can be demonstrated scientifically to be the actual burial shroud of a crucified man dating back to the 1st century A.D, whose image on the Shroud bears the marks of wounds received in cohesion with the Gospel accounts and for which no plausible naturalistic explanation can be given to account for either the formation of the image or all the circumstantial physical evidence, then the conclusion that the Shroud is indeed evidence of a Resurrection event, is something that merits serious consideration by those willing to challenge their own philosophical bias against the foundational claim of Christianity.

Reluctant Christians:

I should note that it is not only naturalists and persons of other major religions who reject the Shroud’s authenticity, but some Christians do also.  I suggest that at least some of these Christians are motivated by an understandable reluctance to place too much faith in a physical object that could still turn out to be fraudulent. . . .

The Jesus Seminar and their ilk:

. . . Members of the Jesus Seminar, for instance and other liberal, progressive Christians that reject a bodily Resurrection would be inclined to ignore evidence in favor of the Shroud or actively seek counter hypotheses to account for the scientific evidence.

What we can expect:

. . .  If the evidence for its legitimacy is sound, then its presence would accomplish several tasks.  First, it would establish that the Biblical God exists and that by raising Jesus from the dead He vindicated the exclusive and authoritative claims that Christ made about Himself to be the Son of God, able to forgive sin and offer salvation to the world.  Second, it would thus immediately falsify naturalism and all other worldviews besides the Christian worldview.  Thirdly, however, it would also falsify the claims from those within Christianity that regard the Resurrection as merely a metaphor and not a physical, bodily event that occurred within the space-time continuum.

But what if Jesus and his burial cloth defies expectations again?

It’s a total feeling sort of thing.

imageBT writes from New London:

I truly appreciate every one of the 300 comments in the recent thread about the Hungarian Pray Manuscript, particularly the skeptical ones. I read them carefully. I also considered the evidence from the Stavronikita Epitaphios. I had always thought the illustration in the codex was possible evidence for the shroud’s existence well before the date determined by radiocarbon testing. But I was cautious. I sometimes wondered if it was really true that features found in the drawing requiring knowledge of the shroud were indeed there because of such knowledge. I was 75% convinced they were. Now, I am 99% convinced.

Yeah, me too.

And you could almost see a small smile in Hugh Farey’s face as he responded to daveb:

You did help. The Byzantine herringbone pattern is another chip on the pile on the authentic side of the balance. It’s still not enough for me, as you predicted, but it’s more evidence. I like evidence!

Hugh is, of course, referring to the pattern on the Stavronikita Epitaphios.

We are talking about two threads: 1)Discussion about the Pray Codex and it’s relation to the Shroud is over? and 2) Comment Promoted: The Stavronikita Epitaphios. O.K. got the first one going. I count 297 comments. That has to be a record. DaveB got the second one going.

It’s a total feeling sort of thing. I can’t prove it. I won’t try. I think the Hungarian Pray Manuscript does represent the shroud. So does the burial sheet in the Stavronikita Epitaphios. I’m convinced.

Shroud Encounters of the Wikipedia Kind

imageFrom a recently updated Wikipedia article, one of countless articles being scrutinized by the WikiProject Christianity group. entitled Depictions of Jesus:

The conventional image of a fully bearded Jesus with long hair did not become established until the 6th century in Eastern Christianity, and much later in the West. Earlier images were much more varied. Images of Jesus tend to show ethnic characteristics similar to those of the culture in which the image has been created. Beliefs that certain images are historically authentic, or have acquired an authoritative status from Church tradition, remain powerful among some of the faithful, in Eastern Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, and Roman Catholicism. The Shroud of Turin is now the best-known example, though the Image of Edessa and the Veil of Veronica were better known in medieval times[citation needed].

The image shone here, one of dozens in the article, is described as, “Christ in majesty, still with no beard, from an English 12th century illuminated manuscript.”

Colin Berry has some preliminary results

imageClick in to his site to see First test of the quicklime hypothesis (Turin Shroud image) – in pictures.  Don’t knock him for having produced only scorch marks and not an image yet. Who really has, so far?  Nicholas Allen, Joe Nickell,  Craig-Bresee, Luigi Garlaschelli?  Actually, Colin has with hot metal. Let’s see where he goes with this.

Experimentation is always a step forward no matter the results.

In this case only a qualified chemist who knows what he is doing should be experimenting this way.

Comment Promoted: The Stavronikita Epitaphios

imageDaveb writes in the Discussion about the Pray Codex and it’s relation to the Shroud is over? thread:

Some two years ago on this site, there was considerable discussion [Herringbone Weave within Stavronikita Epitaphios (Revisited)] on the Epitaphios Stavronikita. Several features necessarily connect it to the Shroud, one in particular was an undeniable replication of the herring-bone twill. Other features included a bloodied, scourged, prostrate Christ with crossed hands over the groin. Despite the many similarities, thumbs are nevertheless clearly visible. However, there was clearly disagreement about the date of provenance, some asserting it as late 15th – 16th centuries, while others insisted that it was as early as 12th century, a most unsatisfactory state of affairs. I have attempted to pursue this further via the web, but the only references to this particular epitaphios all relate back to Dan’s web-site only. There appear to be no other web references to it. I can’t even find it on any of the Mt Athos Stavronikita monastery web-sites.

There were several other comments relating to herring-bone twill representations, including several from Max PH referring to the St Mark’s 7th century carving. Someone had found a reference to the Stavronikita in a university library, but the matter of dating it still remains unresolved.

Even though the TS was known in the west by the 14th century, would monks or artisans at Mt Athos be likely to use this knowledge as a model for an epitaphios for use in Greek Orthodox liturgies at this time? I think not! A rational explanation for whatever model was used for it, demands that some remembered features of the Shroud cloth when it was under Greek custody influenced its design.

Meantime, someone may like to pursue the date of provenance of the epitaphios stavronikita with better success and more conclusivity than I’ve been able to manage.

I had said then that the implications are significant. Look very carefully at the weave pattern on the burial shroud pictured (two photographs) and the enlarged section showing the cloth below the shoulder.

Photo 1:image

Photo 2:


Section beneath shoulder showing herringbone:



If you are going to be in or around Kearney, Nebraska

image. . .  today or tomorrow – or passing through on Interstate 80 going between, say Des Moines, Iowa and Cheyenne, Wyoming – there is an exhibit of the Man of the Shroud at the Kearney Ramada Inn just north of the highway interchange on Route 44 between the Chrysler Jeep dealership and the Dairy Queen.

According to the Kearney Hub:

The hours [are] 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Saturday and 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. Sunday. There is no admission charge.

Viewers will see a life-size photographic transparency 14 feet tall by 3 feet wide that replicates the Shroud of Turin.

The exhibit includes many detailed, back-lit panels with information surrounding the shroud and the death and resurrection of Jesus. It also features a life-size sculpture of Jesus on a 9-foot-tall cross graphically depicting every wound revealed in the image of the Shroud.

imageThe circles in the above Google Earth photograph are not crop circles.  Well, actually they are. They are created by giant irrigation sprinklers that go around in circles.

The point is this: the Shroud of Turin is increasingly becoming a subject of interest just about everywhere. That’s wonderful.

Anticipating the Conference: Robert Siefker on Observations, Data and Hypotheses

Robert Siefker  |  12-Oct-2014  |  11:00-11:30 am


In 2013 The Shroud Center of Colorado (TSC) posted Version 1 of a new document on its website entitled The Shroud: A Critical Summary of Observations, Data and Hypotheses.  Version 2, including updates to exiting materials and a new section on Shroud History, should be available by the time of the St. Louis Shroud Conference and it is our desire to present Version 2 at the Conference.  . . .

As an organization TSC has studied the Shroud for literally 10’s of thousands of hours and the publishing of the Critical Summary is part of the effort of the organization to make our understanding of the Shroud available to the serious inquirer. We disclose in the Critical Summary that TSC as an organization holds that a critical assessment of the totality of currently available data on the Shroud supports the judgment that the Shroud of Turin once wrapped the body of Jesus of Nazareth. Nevertheless, we respect the autonomy of each person to formulate his or her own judgment concerning what conclusions the data leads him or her to. Unfortunately, many people make a snap judgment concerning the Shroud based on only one or two pieces of data, the publishing of conflicting hypotheses or simply their inability to get their arms around the large corpus of Shroud “data”. The Critical Summary is a fairly long document, pushing 100 pages, but we believe an individual must spend at least a number of hours in studying the extensive evidence related to the Shroud in order to begin to form his or her own judgments and arguments concerning this fascinating object.

Click on the title to read the full abstract. Click here for the conference home page.

BTW:  Link to Version 1 as a PDF file (which is pictured, above)

Quote for Today: Russ Breault who is helping beach bums with some spiritual guidance


Faith doesn’t usually require this kind of empirical evidence. But it’s always nice when evidence comes along to increase faith.

— Russ Breault from an article, Where We Worship: St. Brendan’s the Navigator on Seven Mile Island, at Philly.com (Philadelphia Inquirer and the Philadelphia  Daily News)

Hat tip to Louis for this link.

Picture:  St. Brendan’s the Navigator on Seven Mile Island

Story lead:

As area families lather on the sunscreen, pack up the car and head down the Shore, one consideration that isn’t always made is where the beach bums will go for spiritual guidance on Sunday.

See:  Russ Breault Visiting South Jersey Shore as posted on June 11th.

Another New Old Video?

Hat tip to Joe Marino

I don’t think I’ve seen this one before. I assume it is new.  Maybe,  maybe not.  Are we ever going to get away from these old clips about flower images and coins on the eyes? 

John Klotz’ Approaching Book on the Shroud

clip_image001As most of you know, John Klotz is a regular participant in this blog. He has in these last few weeks been working to finish up his book on the Shroud of Turin. A theme, an "Apocalypse of Selfishness," is intrinsically a part of the book. With that in mind, he has turned to his blog, Quantum Christ, to republish something he wrote in 1972.  Here is the beginning:

The following piece was written by me in 1972 as a part of my studies for my Master’s Degree in International law.of International Law degree at New York University. In concerns the prospect of prosecuting ocean polluters as for international crimes just as we prosecute pirates. The first section: The Death of the Ocean the Mother of life seems particularly relevant to environmental crisis we face today that now threatens the humanity with an "Apocalypse of Selfishness."

Reprinted from The International Lawyer, Vol.6, No. 4, October 1972 Page 706 
Copyright 1972 American Bar Association

Are Ocean Polluters Subject to Universal Jurisdiction: Canada Breaks the Ice

By John C. Klotz*

A.      The Death of the Ocean – Mother of Life

      Until now, human development has proceeded on the assumption  that the earth and its resources were created for the use and  exploitation by mankind, and were so plentiful that little  thought need be given to their ultimate exhaustion.(Nte. 1) In terms  of ecology, man’s economic theories have advanced little beyond  those of the Stone Age: "slash and burn" agricultural communities  who roam the world’s tropical forests, slashing and burning trees  to create small plots for cultivation, and when the soil is soon  exhausted, moving on to another part of the forest to slash and  burn again.

      Similarly, modern man has exploited the resources of the  earth with such reckless abandon, that the human race is now  faced with an ecological crisis of unbelievable complexity. We  now know that the earth’s resources are limited, with the points  of exhaustion of many of the most basic resources near at hand,  and that exploitation and industrialization are exacting such a  fearful toll that life, as we now know it, may be doomed to  extinction.(Nte. 2)

      Perhaps the most obvious of the world’s endangered  ecological systems is the ocean.(Nte. 3) Ocean waters cover  four-fifths of the earth’s surface. Its interaction with the  atmosphere determines weather and climate and each influences in  many ways the composition of the other.(Nte. 4) Over 70 percent of the  atmosphere’s oxygen was created by ocean organisms.(Nte. 5) The ocean  is  an integral part of the world’s food supply and an important  communications link between the continents. Thus, the destruction  or alteration of the ocean’s ecosystems would threaten the  earth’s supply of oxygen, lead to the possibility of seriously  altered climates and threaten destruction of an important source  of the world’s present and future food supply.(Nte. 6)

Barrie Schwortz Interviewed by Jim Paris

So what we have on there is not something that some artist depicted,
so this is the real thing.

Take your choice: The complete PDF transcript of the show or a YouTube soundtrack of the June 22 broadcast (you can click on the play button below). It runs for 54 minutes.

Here is a sample from about the mid-point of the broadcast:

. . . Yeah they crucified him, speared him, scourged him; they did all these things to lots of people. But only one we know of had all of those things applied to him including this crown of thorns. I wanted to add one thing from the earlier segment. The wounds depicted on the shroud are 100% forensically accurate, and that was determined by no less than three forensic experts. So what we have on there is not something that some artist depicted, so this is the real thing.

The show’s description reads:

Barrie Schwortz, one of the original members of the team tasked with analyzing and authentication the Shroud Of Turin, joins Jim Paris Live. Discussed on this episode – what produced the image found on the ancient burial cloth? How do we know that it is not a fake? What evidence is there that the man wrapped in the burial cloth was tortured with a crown of thorns (as in the Gospel account)? Does the Shroud contain the DNA of Jesus Christ?

Anticipating the Conference: Bruno Barberis on the Two Ways of Understanding the Shroud

Bruno Barberis  |  11-Oct-14  |  10:45-11:30 am


The two ways of understanding the Shroud are of course often met and clashed, sometimes dividing both the insiders and the common people: Shroud object of faith and worship or object of scientific interest and study? It has grown so much animated discussions, perhaps as never before, favored both by modern means of communication and by the great worldwide interest aroused by the last expositions. But are the two ways of relating to the image really in contrast? The thoughts of many scholars have shown that they can very well coexist as long as their different levels of competence are respected and it is avoided to mix them at all costs forcing conclusions without respecting its peculiarities.

And history?  And art?  Consider the recent and ongoing discussions about the Pray Manuscript.

Click on the title to read the full abstract. Click here for the conference home page.

Another Shroud of Turin Video

Hat tip to Joe Marino, who is better than me at finding videos.

Having been just uploaded within the past week, this is part of a YouTube channel call Mad  World Series. This particular video is called Biblical history proven – part 2 – Shroud of Turin.  The video runs for about 52 minutes.  Nice editing but a lot of outdated and highly disputable material like blaming the the carbon dating on a bio-plastic coating, like skeletal features, etc.

The uploader writes in the About page for the video.

With this new series, i am trying to show you:

  • That there is evidence that could support, that the Bible is telling us the truth.
  • Seeing is believing for some people, so to help you people out, i will share some videos i have collected over the years, that helped me.


FAIR USE NOTICE: This video may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes only. This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law.

Okay, but what truth is that?

Collaborative Research: A Way Forward when it comes to the Manoppello?

clip_image001Randy Frost, sacristan of St. Ignatius’ Church and director of the Daniel Dajani, S.J., Albanian Catholic Institute on the University of San Francisco campus writes on his blog, A Way Forward for Collaborative Research on the Shroud of Turin and the Holy Face of Manoppello

Ever since  Sr. Blandina Paschalis Schlömer began to make the first systematic comparisons of photographs of the Holy Face of Manoppello and the Shroud of Turin in her convent in Germany there has quite often been opposition and disdain on the part of scholars of the Shroud for this endeavor. Actually this is not surprising given the mind-boggling claims that the Holy Face is actually not only the Veil of Veronica but the burial face-cloth of Jesus!  How could we have missed this all these centuries?

Nevertheless following in the footsteps of Sr. Blandina there have always been more than a few Shroud scholars who have tried to see if and how these two images of Jesus might be related.

Recently several interesting articles comparing the two images using the ImageJ computer software for image processing and analysis have appeared on one of my favorite blogs:  The Shroud of Turin blog – latest news and views on the Shroud of Turin edited by Albert R. "Kim" Dreisbach.

The author of the two articles is Oskar K. from Poland who presents what I think is a compelling case for the Holy Face of Manoppello to be a part of the research on the Shroud of Turin and offers ImageJ software as one of the research tools.

Along with the fascinating overlays of the two images which are presented in his papers are a number of  hard hitting comments which the blog is known for.

Here are several of the author’s replies to comments on his article which I find important.

Read on

Note: Not edited by Albert R. "Kim" Dreisbach, but Dan Porter.

Of Extreme and not so Extreme Anti-Authenticists

imageHow many times can you use allegedly in a single paragraph? Stephen Jones continues with his theory in this latest installment of allegation that Arizona’s Timothy Linick was the alleged hacker who rigged the computerized consoles of all three AMS systems.

As part of my evidence that Arizona radiocarbon laboratory physicist Timothy W. Linick(1946-4 June 1989)[7] was allegedly the primary hacker, who: 1) allegedly wrote and installed on Arizona radiocarbon dating laboratory’s AMS control console computer a program which ensured that the Shroud of Turin samples’ actual radiocarbon dates would be replaced by dates which, when calibrated, clustered around 1325; and 2) allegedly passed that program on to the KGB, for which he was allegedly working, to be installed by confessed KGB hacker Karl Koch (1965–3 June 1989)[8] on the AMS control console computers at Zurich and Oxford’s radiocarbon dating laboratories; here is my evidence that Linick allegedly leaked Arizona’s 1350 radiocarbon date of the Shroud to the Rev. H. David Sox, an American Episcopalian (sic) priest, teaching at the American school in London[10]. And that Sox in turn leaked that date to the media through Luckett and others, well before the official announcement on 13 October 1988.

Not that it matters all that much, that I can see.

Anyway, Hugh Farey recently and significantly commented about Stephen’s previous posting:

Stop Press: A little while ago Stephen either read this blog, or someone told him of the post above, and he inserted a comment into his latest posting to the effect that he realised his dates and chart with its non-overlapping bands were based on BP dates and needed calibrating. This he has now done, and amended his blog to show a new set of dates and a new chart which, curiously, still shows that the Oxford dates do not overlap either of the others. By using the tiny calibration diagram published in the Nature paper rather than an established calibration program, he has enabled himself to reinforce his convictions. This cannot be allowed to go uncriticised.

It is not clear that Stephen really understands the calibrating process, particularly when it comes to how to deal with quoted errors. Actually anybody can do it by using OxCal, which is online, easy to access, easy to use, and free. Stephen tried to do it using the tiny published calibration chart in the Nature paper, deriving his dates simply by adding and subtracting the error from the mean as published in the Nature paper, and attempting to read off the calendar date.

His results, and those from OxCal (to 95.4% probability) are as follows:

Arizona BP dates: 646 ± 31
Stephen’s calibration: 1290 – 1317
OxCal’s calibration: 1281 – 1396

Oxford BP dates: 750 ± 30
Stephen’s calibration: 1214 – 1266
OxCal’s calibration: 1222 – 1287

Zurich BP dates: 676 ± 24
Stephen’s calibration: 1286 – 1293
OxCal’s calibration: 1275 – 1388

Well, it’s only a few years here and there, what does it matter? But Stephen is a great pains to point out that by his calculation the Oxford dates still do not overlap either of the other two – which of course is untrue, and that the Arizona and Zurich dates only overlap by 25 years, which is also untrue. His finding of a minimum Oxford date of 1214 is grotesquely inaccurate and must surely be a typo, but his even more inaccurate maximum misreading has a serious effect on his later argument – I wonder if it could be deliberate fraud?

Stephen blazes on.  It doesn’t matter. A target date will do nicely. It seems, if I’ve understood Stephen correctly, Linick was not a mere anti-authenticist, he was an extreme anti-authenticist unlike Gove and Hall who were non-extreme anti-authenticists. In other words, Linick was like McCrone who had written (extremely, I guess),  "A date significantly later than the first century would be conclusive evidence the `Shroud’ is not genuine. A date placing the linen cloth in the first century, though not conclusive in proving the cloth to be the Shroud of Christ…":

Linick, you see, said something similar. He said: “If we show the material to be medieval that would definitely mean that it is not authentic. If we date it back 2000 years, of course, that still leaves room for argument. It would be the right age – but is it the real thing?’"

This is evidence, Stephen says. Linick agreed with what McCrone stated eight years earlier. So, because McCrone had theorized that the cloth was painted about 1355, Linick can use that as a target date. Almost. To be more plausible, the date had to be “well before” 1355 to account for harvesting of the flax. 1350 will do nicely.

After this there is a lot of who knew who or talked to who. I’m reminded of the Monte Carlo simulations in the 1960s and 70s trying to prove that every individual in the world was connected to another by no more than six degrees of separation. At one point, Stephen tells us that he has been told privately of a possible connection between three anti-something-or-others, Sox, Luckett and Rose. But he is not free to tell us that. He just did, of course. He just won’t tell you who told him.

In the end he tells us it is an irresistible inference, Linick leaked the 1350 date to Sox. Okay. And the point is?

Stay tuned. There is another installment coming next week.

Anticipating the Conference: Frederick Baltz proposes a new reference to the Shroud of Turin in Galatians

Frederick Baltz  |  11-Oct-2014  |  9:30-10:00 am


The pollen trail of the Shroud of Turin passes through the Anatolian Steppe region of Turkey. This was part of the region known as Galatia in New Testament times. Southern Galatia (at least) was visited by Paul on his First Missionary Journey. He established churches there. Paul’s Letter to the Galatians tells of subsequent missionaries who tried to invalidate Paul’s work by insisting that new Gentile Christians undergo circumcision. In view of Paul’s Greek terms and syntax in his letter, it is conceivable that we have a never-before-recognized reference to the Shroud in Galatians 3:1: “O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.” This paper will explore the possibility that the Shroud of Turin was used by early missionaries in Galatia.

Note: Galaitia is the pink area in the middle of the map (roughly so because we can’t be sure and common usage may have referred to much of the surrounding area). It is sort of like saying the central plains in the U.S. and knowing where to draw the boundary.

Click on the title to read the full abstract. Click here for the conference home page.

You can catch Dan Shea in Austin in July

imageThe Mystery People blog headlines, Crime Fiction Friday: THE SHROUD OF TURIN by Dan O’Shea:

Due to flight canceling weather, Dan O’Shea had to miss our January Noir At The Bar. Luckily, you can’t keep a good hard boiled author down, and he’ll be at our July 7th Noir At The Bar, reading along with Jonathan Woods, Tim O’Mara, and Jesse Sublett.

Where is that?  If you follow the link you will see:

The only thing most crime fiction fans love as much as books is drinking, so it only makes sense that someone would combine both. Started in Philadelphia a few years, Noir At The Bar has made its way across the country from Philadelphia to LA. MysteryPeople is giving it an Austin spin on July 7th at Opal Divine’s on South Congress.

We’ll have a great line up of hard-boiled authors on the scene reading from and discussing their works, featuring Tim O’Mara, Dan O’Shea, and Jonathan Wood.

So come out to Opal’s (3601 South Congress) at 7PM and help us celebrate a new tradition – Austin’s Noir at the Bar.

Besides, he follows this blog.

Until man can explain how the image got on the Shroud using his own technology, he really won’t believe it wasn’t his technology.

imageIt is long:  A Spiritual Analysis of the Shroud by Hannah Michaels. It took me awhile to figure out what to say. I wish I could have been kinder. But then, again, in fairness it is a meditation and I’m not good at reading such things.

It seems a bit strange, as when we read about the carbon dating in 1988 and I began to wonder if this was a Turing Test of some kind. It’s me. I know that. My wife is always saying to me, “Don’t you see the symbolism?”  No, I don’t:

April 21, 1988 – The test begins. This date marks the anniversary of Jesus’ crucifixion and the Second Passover, . . .

April 22, 1988 – The news of the taking of the sample is released to the world. This relates to the crucifixion because symbolically April 21st became “the day as to which you put the sickle to the corn”; and the next morning, April 22, was when the first perfect sheaf would have been presented. This date correlates with birthdates. For example, this is the 40th birthday of the State of Israel – when the Fig Tree officially took possession of the Holy Land in 1948, but would not bear fruit, as Jesus prophesied. This date sets a mark, linking the Roman Catholic Church to the Jewish Synagogue. For some, this may sound far-fetched, but according to Myron C. Fagan’s famous transcript about the Illuminati, it might not be. He said the Grand Sanhedrin instructed Jews to convert to Christianity in 1492, telling them to become doctors, lawyers, Christian clergy, and such, in order to bring the Christian world down. Biblically, 40 is a significant number, such as Israel wandered in the desert 40 years; “After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, [even] forty years, and ye shall know My breach of promise (Numbers 14:34).” Each-day-for-a-year is a prophetic code, because sometimes the number of days means the number of years. With the Church’s recent clarification of the upcoming 2015 Shroud Exhibition, does this mean that she recognizes the code? Beginning April 19, she will hold the longest exhibition to date, being that of 67 days. Interestingly, this would correspond to one day per the 67 years of the modern State of Israel. It seems they are celebrating the State’s birthdate too, along with John Bosco’s Feast, a priest, popularly known as “Don”, who helped underprivileged boys and poor girls.

I’m not very knowledgeable when it comes to the Gospel of Thomas. Is that what it means, that quotation?

But the reality is that there’s a large amount of evidence to prove its authenticity, including spiritual markers, like the thistle. If we were to divide the evidence onto a set of scales, with one side containing evidence of forgery and the other side containing evidence of authenticity; the only item with any apparent weight on the forgery side is the radiocarbon date. Yet, has the balance in anyone’s mind been tipped? “You test the face of the sky and of the earth, and him who is before your face you have not known, and you do not know how to test this moment.” This is a verse from the Gospel of Thomas, a book rejected by the Church, yet is probably the most revealing book into the mystery of being human, and man’s discovery of being more than a body. Perhaps man’s study of the Shroud parallels his desire for knowledge, “because the spirit does search for all these, even the deep things of God”, as Paul put it. (emphasis Michaels)

And what is this?

When things don’t add up, people tend to keep looking for answers. As for the Shroud, there are some who adamantly support the 1988-study, literally putting all their eggs into that radiocarbon-dating basket for confirmation. Surprisingly, the official stance of the Roman Catholic Church falls into this group. Her official statement from John Paul II in 1988 was, “Since it is not a matter of faith, the Church has no specific competence to pronounce on these questions. She entrusts to scientists the task of continuing to investigate, so that satisfactory answers may be found to the questions connected with this Sheet (Wikipedia: Shroud of Turin).” This is an oddly-crafted statement, because, wouldn’t all things concerning Jesus touch on faith, especially one that dealt with a burial cloth thought to be His? The pope mentioned “continuing investigation”, but so often the Church has rejected them. . . . With all that’s been presented to the Church about the possibility of it being authentic, she ought to be appreciative, but instead she’s ignored a great deal of evidence. A layman might not expect the Church to play Devil’s Advocate, but this seems to be the case. (emphasis Michaels)

But John Paul II said that in 1998, not 1988. And he was not saying what Hannah said he was saying, at least not as I see it. Read the full paragraph of item 2 in the Address of His Holiness Pope John Paul II on the occasion of a pastoral visit to Vercelli and Turin, Italy, in May of 1998. In fact, read the entire address. And it was not an official stance of the Roman Catholic Church, anyway. Ian Wilson discussed the pope’s message in his 2010 book, The Shroud: The 2000-Year-Old Mystery Solved.

imageThe many photos of the Pope, in simple white, praying on his knees before the Shroud . . . speak louder than any words that he was far from persuaded by the carbon-dating findings. And the words of his homily reinforced this.

. . . and they do. Read them.

The second sentence in this following quote perhaps saves the day. I think so.

Man keeps trying to explain his existence with unproven hypotheses. Part of him refuses to accept the obvious. And until he can explain how the Image got on the Shroud using his own technology, he really won’t believe it wasn’t his technology that did it.

New Video Featuring Russ Breault (Part 2 of 2)

Russ Breault now appears in part 2 of his interview with Prophecy in the News. (You can find part 1 HERE if you missed it).

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2m7pqxJK0 )

Discussion about the Pray Codex and its relation to the Shroud is over?

A Guest Posting by O.K.

Pray Codex –a probabilistic approach.

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PrayCodexElementsThe discussion about the Pray Codex and it’s relation to the Shroud seems to be over.

The question of whether or not the Pray Codex had been inspired by the Shroud of Turin has been hotly debated.

Here I would like to present a probabilistic approach to that matter. I would like to estimate probability of several key elements linking the Codex with the Shroud, to occur ALL AT ONCE by pure chance, instead of being copied from the Shroud.

I take into account only a few INDEPENDENT, NON-TRIVIAL and UNDISPUTED details sharing some alleged similarity with the Shroud.

It should be noted that on the key page of the Codex, there are in fact TWO illustrations not just one. Further we will be calling upper illustration as Illustration I, an bottom illustration as Illustration II. This complicates the matter a little bit, but can be overcome.

There are several key details on both illustrations. Let’s estimate the probability of their occurrence on Entombment/Three Marys scene by random

Illustration I:

· A –the Jesus is naked, with His hands crossed above pelvis (similar on the Shroud) –let’s assume that such portrayal occurs in 1/100 instances.

· B –He has just 4 fingers on each hand, no thumbs visible (the same as Shroud) -1/100 instances

· C –He has His legs cropped by the end of page, without any obvious reason (the same as frontal image on the Shroud) -1/100 instances.

Illustration II:

· D –there is a pyramidal/zigzag pattern on alleged shroud/tomb lid –possible reference to the Shroud and it’s herringbone weave, or merely decorative pattern? Anyway, let’s suppose that we can find such pattern in 1/100 instances.

· E –two red smudges on the surface of shroud/tomb lid (just below angel’s feet). Unless this is reference to the blood belt on the Shroud, there is no obvious reason for them. Anyway, let’s suppose that we can find such pattern in 1/100 instances.

· F –the four L shaped ‘poker holes’, similar to those that can be found on the Shroud –reference to it, or just another (very strange) decorative pattern (or to the holes in the Holy Sepulcher, or anything)? No matter. Let’s estimate chance for their random occurrence as 1/100, but, as someone on the forum once pointedthat the chance for four dots to have proper L shape (instead of single line, 2×2 box, ‘T’, or 2×2 with one row translated by 1 element –recall yourself Tetris) in any orientation are 1/5, so 1/500.

So, the probability for elements A-B-C, to occur on any single illustration can be estimated as 1/(100*100*100), that is 1/1000 000=10^-6

Fine. Let’s estimate the expected number of all Entombment illustrations that could have all the elements A-B-C just by chance. Let’s assume that there were 10 millions of Entombment illustrations in the medieval. Thus expected value, is:

10 000 000/1000 000 =10.

Fine, so far, basing on our assumptions, we can expect an upper limit of 10 Entombment portrayals having elements A-B-C.

Suppose we have one such manuscript, with A-B-C elements occurring just by random (Illustration I). Now let’s estimate the probability that in the Three Mary’s Scene, right below the Entombment Scene (this is is the case of Codex Pray, Illustration II), by pure chance (we assume that both illustrations are in fact, independent on each other, and not related directly to the Shroud), there will be elements D-E-F:

The chance is:

1(100*100*500)=1/5000 000 =0.2*10^-7

Similar reasoning could be performed in the other direction (Three Mary’s Scene -> Entombment). The conclusion would be the same:

The chances that all those features A-F are randomly, and simultaneously portrayed in the Pray Codex, without direct reference to the Shroud, are negligible.

So far I can remember, no sceptic has been able to give example of illustration having two out of six key elements A-F.

The discussion about the Pray Codex and it’s relation to the Shroud seems to be over.


Barrie Schwortz to Appear Sunday on Jim Paris Live

Barrie Schwortz reports on the STERA Facebook page:

imageI have been invited to appear on the Jim Paris Live radio program in the 2nd hour of the show, starting at 10:00pm E.T. on Sunday evening, June 22, 2014. The below link is to the online page where you can listen to the program live.

On Air : www2.gcnlive.com : The Premiere Talk Radio Syndicator

Pictured:  Jim Paris.  Here is a press release on PRWeb announcing his recent addition to the Genesis Communications line up.

I look forward to hearing Barrie. If anyone spots an archive link for the audio, let me know.

Maybe a New Image Hypothesis?

clip_image001Colin Berry never ceases to amaze with Might the Shroud image have been produced as a thermochemical scorch on linen? Quicklime?

[ . . . ] Given that a dead body does not produce sufficient heat to scorch linen (for which a temperature of 200 degrees Celsius or more is required) then the thinking so far has been that an effigy of a real person, e.g. a bronze statue, was deployed. However, I’m as conscious as the next man of the practical difficulties of imprinting successfully off a life-size effigy. Mistakes would be costly, given the price of quality linen,

So this morning, I got to wondering about alternatives to metal templates that have been heated, say, over coals. Might an exothermic reaction using a chemical have been used instead – but a common one available in medieval times?

He definitely wants you to look at this blog. You should.