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Goodness me, look what I’ve found

May 28, 2014

clip_image001. . .  writes Hugh Farey in a comment.

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Description in French:

  • Fin Ier siècle après J-C.
    Provenance: Vayson-la-Romaine, France.
    Ancienne collection des années 1950.
    Plusieurs éléments de ce type étaient accrochés à l’extrémité de lanières en cuir, elles-mêmes attachées au bout d’un court manche en bois. Cet instrumen (FLAGRUM ou FLAGELLUM), servait a punir les légionnaires romains.
    TRES RARE et en très bon état de conservation !!! Belle patine "vert-bouteille".

Google Translation to English:

  • Late first century AD.
    Provenance:. Vayson-la-Romaine, France
    . Former collection 1950
    Several elements of this type were hung at the end of leather straps, attached themselves after a short handle wood. This instrumentation (flagrum or flagellum), used to punish the Roman legionaries.
    VERY RARE and in very good condition! Patina "green bottle".

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  1. Mike M
    May 28, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Nice find, but just because we don’t have an exact surviving scourge that would match the injuries suffered by the man on the shroud doesn’t take anything from the authenticity case. The historic record indicate that the Romans were very creative in inventing different torturing methods. I think it’s fascinating that the shroud shows injuries that was not seen in conventional artwork, were very realistic (fanning from both sides, different marks in different areas, curve with the body in 3D), forensically accurate (serum retraction rings) and consistent with what historians described as a roman flagrum (multiple thongs with bits and knots at the end) how many thongs and how many bits or what their shape was, who knows. These soldiers had many options to choose from or even create themselves(crown of thorns)

    • Yannick Clément
      May 28, 2014 at 10:56 am

      I agree with you 100%. And the bottom line is this: if the Shroud is the product of a forgery, it cannot be anything else than a forgery made with the use of a real scourged and crucified corpse who present many signs of having been tortured with Roman methods. Because of this, I don’t see anyone in Europe during the 14th Century who could have done this or just even imagine to realize such a gruesome plan simply to create a false relic of Jesus burial cloth… As I said before, the only rational possibility that still exist (even if it’s very slim) is to think someone did this in the Middle East around the time of Constantine’s conversion (beginning of the 4th Century) and before he prohibited for good the use of this form of capital punishment…

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