Before anyone gets their dander up about de Wusselow’s thesis about the Shroud being taken as the real Christ, check-out the U-Tube Dan posted. Again, discounting the principal thesis it’s superb. And, a real plus for Shroud authenticity.
His problem is his agnosticism and rejection of miracles leads him to construct the Shroud as Jesus appearance. Frankly, that’s were the quantum level kicks in. It’s at that level creation interfaces with creator.
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I do agree with your first comment, as in “discounting the ‘principal thesis’ it’s superb, a real plus for the Shroud”, only partially (see last comment below). But the problem IS his thesis. He is assuming that 1st century Jews were not ‘accustomed to visual stimulation’ although there may be some truth to this, BUT seeing as they were under Roman rule; I could make the assumption, quite easily, that they had been subjected to many images; paintings, statues and the like, in knowing full well, the Romans were big on visual images and had been around for alteast 80 years!….I can see atheists, opponents of the Shroud jumping all over this, and giving them much new material in which to downplay the truth of the Christian religion and our faith. As the facts he mentions such as; radiocarbon dating being “not a magic bullet” and the Shroud image being a “non-representative artistic style of the medieval period” have already fallen on depth ears.
Ron
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It doesn’t take a rocket scientist.
The proof that the Shroud of Turin is Jesus is in the stars!
If you download the “Hand of God” image taken by the NASA Chandra telescope, which is 17,000 light years away (1700 years old), you will see this image is the same facial image as that on the Shroud of Turin. Then, download the picture of the head napkin of Christ that has been in Oviedo, Spain since the 700s. Once you download this picture, take a picture of the downloaded picture with your camera. The same image as that of the Shroud of Turin appears. Both the Shroud image, the Chandra image and the Oviedo image are the same face. This IS the face of Jesus. The Chandra image even details the crown of thorns in red.
See links.
Chandra :: Photo Album :: PSR B1509-58 :: 3 April 09
Blog: A Young Pulsar Shows its Hand … ray nebula that spans 150 light years. At the center of this image made by NASA’s Chandra X-ray … think that B1509 is about 1700 years …
http://www.chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2009/b1509“God’s Hand” captured; shape spanning 150 light years
“God’s Hand” captured; shape spanning 150 light years: A photo of Pulsar B1509 taken by NASA’s Chandra X-ray … is a picture … 1,700 years old and is located 17,000 light years …
english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90783/91322/6638238.htmlThe Hand of God: Scientists reveal amazing X-ray image of a …
… now we have the first image of the hand of God. … nebula that spans 150 light years. At the center of this image made by NASA’s Chandra X … that B1509 is about 1700 years …
In conclusion, the image in the stars, the burial cloth (Shroud) and the head napkin (Sudarium of Oviedo) all contain the same face. The Shroud is authentic as shown by the face in the stars from 1700 years ago.
Best,
Tamara Beryl Latham
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I’ve got to admit that pulsar photo is amazing! Unbelievably recognisable…I won’t go as far as saying it ‘proves the Shroud’ or anything, but it is tantalizing…especially when one can say it may also show the wrist wound in the right location.
If Annie hasn’t seen this yet, I’m sure she’ll get a kick out of it…meaning she may love it.
Ron
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Ron, another thing that I found equally amazing is when Secondo Pia took a photo of the face on the linen shroud and then developed it, the negative displayed the face of Jesus. And this is the face we see today with the photo image taken by Barrie Schwortz.
I did the same experiment.
Download an image of the Sudarium of Oviedo and print it out, and then take a picture of the printed image with your camera. The face that appears is the exact image as that facial image on the Shroud. And I mean exact, with the long nose, small lips, eyes, beard, etc.
So, in conclusion the face appears on the Oviedo cloth, dated 700s. The same face appears on the Sudarium (Carbon dating was off) and the same face appears in the sky somewhere around 300 AD (CE).
What one should wonder is what happened around 300 AD that Jesus found it so necessary to appear in the sky?
I haven’t researched this extensively, but I did find in 303 AD, according to Michael Baigent in “The Jesus Papers,” that it was the beginning of the Christians being persecuted by Diocletian, Emperor of Rome, and there was massive destruction and deaths.
With that in mind, I wondered if the Chandra image could be dated to 303 AD? I suppose NASA could do the calculations.
What needs to be shown is all three images side by side. There is no doubt all three are of the same man.
Before anyone gets their dander up about de Wusselow’s thesis about the Shroud being taken as the real Christ, check-out the U-Tube Dan posted. Again, discounting the principal thesis it’s superb. And, a real plus for Shroud authenticity.
His problem is his agnosticism and rejection of miracles leads him to construct the Shroud as Jesus appearance. Frankly, that’s were the quantum level kicks in. It’s at that level creation interfaces with creator.
I do agree with your first comment, as in “discounting the ‘principal thesis’ it’s superb, a real plus for the Shroud”, only partially (see last comment below). But the problem IS his thesis. He is assuming that 1st century Jews were not ‘accustomed to visual stimulation’ although there may be some truth to this, BUT seeing as they were under Roman rule; I could make the assumption, quite easily, that they had been subjected to many images; paintings, statues and the like, in knowing full well, the Romans were big on visual images and had been around for alteast 80 years!….I can see atheists, opponents of the Shroud jumping all over this, and giving them much new material in which to downplay the truth of the Christian religion and our faith. As the facts he mentions such as; radiocarbon dating being “not a magic bullet” and the Shroud image being a “non-representative artistic style of the medieval period” have already fallen on depth ears.
Ron
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist.
The proof that the Shroud of Turin is Jesus is in the stars!
If you download the “Hand of God” image taken by the NASA Chandra telescope, which is 17,000 light years away (1700 years old), you will see this image is the same facial image as that on the Shroud of Turin. Then, download the picture of the head napkin of Christ that has been in Oviedo, Spain since the 700s. Once you download this picture, take a picture of the downloaded picture with your camera. The same image as that of the Shroud of Turin appears. Both the Shroud image, the Chandra image and the Oviedo image are the same face. This IS the face of Jesus. The Chandra image even details the crown of thorns in red.
See links.
Chandra :: Photo Album :: PSR B1509-58 :: 3 April 09
Blog: A Young Pulsar Shows its Hand … ray nebula that spans 150 light years. At the center of this image made by NASA’s Chandra X-ray … think that B1509 is about 1700 years …
http://www.chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2009/b1509“God’s Hand” captured; shape spanning 150 light years
“God’s Hand” captured; shape spanning 150 light years: A photo of Pulsar B1509 taken by NASA’s Chandra X-ray … is a picture … 1,700 years old and is located 17,000 light years …
english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90783/91322/6638238.htmlThe Hand of God: Scientists reveal amazing X-ray image of a …
… now we have the first image of the hand of God. … nebula that spans 150 light years. At the center of this image made by NASA’s Chandra X … that B1509 is about 1700 years …
http://www.sikhnet.com/news/hand-god-scientists…image-supernova-deep-space
In conclusion, the image in the stars, the burial cloth (Shroud) and the head napkin (Sudarium of Oviedo) all contain the same face. The Shroud is authentic as shown by the face in the stars from 1700 years ago.
Best,
Tamara Beryl Latham
I’ve got to admit that pulsar photo is amazing! Unbelievably recognisable…I won’t go as far as saying it ‘proves the Shroud’ or anything, but it is tantalizing…especially when one can say it may also show the wrist wound in the right location.
If Annie hasn’t seen this yet, I’m sure she’ll get a kick out of it…meaning she may love it.
Ron
Ron, another thing that I found equally amazing is when Secondo Pia took a photo of the face on the linen shroud and then developed it, the negative displayed the face of Jesus. And this is the face we see today with the photo image taken by Barrie Schwortz.
I did the same experiment.
Download an image of the Sudarium of Oviedo and print it out, and then take a picture of the printed image with your camera. The face that appears is the exact image as that facial image on the Shroud. And I mean exact, with the long nose, small lips, eyes, beard, etc.
So, in conclusion the face appears on the Oviedo cloth, dated 700s. The same face appears on the Sudarium (Carbon dating was off) and the same face appears in the sky somewhere around 300 AD (CE).
What one should wonder is what happened around 300 AD that Jesus found it so necessary to appear in the sky?
I haven’t researched this extensively, but I did find in 303 AD, according to Michael Baigent in “The Jesus Papers,” that it was the beginning of the Christians being persecuted by Diocletian, Emperor of Rome, and there was massive destruction and deaths.
With that in mind, I wondered if the Chandra image could be dated to 303 AD? I suppose NASA could do the calculations.
What needs to be shown is all three images side by side. There is no doubt all three are of the same man.
Best,
Tamara Beryl Latham