I hate it when I encounter someone much smarter than me. But I love it when they do all the heavy lifting.
Hugh Farey, medievalist, Shakespearean actor and director, mathematician, scientist, and blogger has done an excellent job of challenging authenticist YouTubers who tried to rebut biblical scholar Dan McClellan’s short podcast critiques of Shroud claims made by Mel Gibson (with Joe Rogan) and popular speaker Jeremiah Johnston. Farey defends McClellan’s accuracy while dissecting the authenticists’ rhetorical failures. See: medievalshroud
Cliff Notes Version Follows
Part 1: “No Apologies” vs. McClellan on Mel Gibson
Farey analyzes a response by a team called “No Apologies” (Phill Chambers and Harvey Ward) to McClellan’s nine-minute commentary on the Mel Gibson/Joe Rogan Shroud discussion. Ward pontificates with a version of the facts he seems to have half-acquired from an “Institute of Science and Faith” course, while Chambers plays a more neutral role.
Farey structures his critique around seven methodological failures, including:
- Getting facts wrong: Ward misnames the de Charny family, misidentifies Giulio Fanti as an “Art Historian in Turin,” and refers to the Pray Codex as the “Payes painting.”
- Misrepresenting Fanti’s “personal revelation”: Ward tries to recast Fanti’s explicitly stated religious vision as merely “an emotional response to facts,” reversing what Fanti actually wrote.
- Confusing the WAXS methodology: Ward conflates the well-established WAXS technique in general with the specific and untested use of WAXS to date textiles of unknown age — exactly McClellan’s point — and then declares McClellan wrong while agreeing with him.
- Misrepresenting the d’Arcis memorandum: Ward declares McClellan’s statement about it “completely false” when he actually means he disputes d’Arcis’s credibility — which is not the same thing at all.
- Wildly misquoting Kelly Kearse: Ward claims Kearse found evidence of human blood on the Shroud; Kearse actually concluded that “cross-reactivity precludes a definitive assignment of human or even primate blood being present.”
Part 2: “Jekyll and Hyde” vs. McClellan on Jeremiah Johnston. Farey responds to McClellan’s four short podcasts critiquing Jeremiah Johnston. He nicknames the responding duo “Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde” for their wild swings between calm reasonableness and unhinged abuse.
Key episodes include:
- The VP-8 Image Analyzer: Johnston falsely claims the VP-8 was “designed to study what happened to the surface of the earth after a nuclear explosion.” McClellan correctly calls this “laughably false” and uses Cicero Moraes’s simulations to argue the Shroud image looks more like a bas-relief print than a full-body print. Farey supports this, citing multiple STuRP researchers who acknowledge lateral image distortions — contradicting the authenticist claim of “perfect vertical collimation.”
- Garlaschelli’s reproduction: Hyde claims Garlaschelli himself admitted his bas-relief reproduction “sucks” and “produces nothing like the Shroud” — a claim Farey calls “a grotesque distortion.” Both Moraes and Garlaschelli, Farey notes, confirmed to him they felt misrepresented.
- The d’Arcis memorandum again: Hyde delivers a lengthy tirade claiming no credible historian accepts the memorandum, that it was never sent, and that “all the historical proof” contradicts it — assertions Farey systematically rebuts, noting that multiple documented papal bulls and other sources do describe the Shroud as a fabrication, while no document calls it genuine until a century after its first appearance.
- The retracted PLoS One paper: Jekyll first agrees with credible pro-Shroud experts that the Carlino et al. paper on “biologic nanoparticles” was unreliable, then Hyde insists it was never retracted, basing this on an interview with a disgruntled author.
- Neutron irradiation and radiocarbon dating: Hyde claims Thomas McAvoy’s Applied Optics papers prove a “precise match” between UV fluorescence and neutron irradiation calculations. Farey states flatly that neither McAvoy paper even mentions neutron radiation, and that in his own extended correspondence with McAvoy, no such correlation actually exists.
Overall Thesis
Taken together, Farey’s two posts make a pointed argument: the authenticist counter-response to McClellan is not only factually weak but actively self-defeating. This kind of thing, he writes, “discredits authenticity even more thoroughly than the actual research that I and like-minded medievalists publish ourselves.”

Refuting Jeremiah Johnstons claims is not equal refuting the authenticity of the Shroud.
Otangelo Grasso wrote: “Refuting Jeremiah Johnston’s claims is not equal to refuting the authenticity of the Shroud.”
I agree entirely. Farey is right to be critical of Johnston — such sloppiness genuinely hurts the overall search for truth, regardless of which side of the authenticity question one lands on. Sloppy advocacy is worse than no advocacy.
But let’s think through what we’d actually have, even in the most favorable scenario for authenticity.
Say for argument’s sake that the published C14 results are wrong and the cloth really does date to the time of Christ. And say further that we can establish with a high degree of certainty — supported by historiographic evidence — that the image depicts Jesus of Nazareth following his crucifixion. Grant all of that.
What do we actually have?
It might be his burial shroud. Or it might be a pre-burial covering used during the preparation of the body. Or — and this is a possibility that rarely gets serious attention — it might be a work of art produced by some method we have not yet been able to imagine, created by someone who knew Jesus, witnessed the crucifixion, or had access to detailed accounts of it. The first-century world was not without gifted craftsmen, and our failure to reproduce a technique does not prove the technique is miraculous or supernatural.
In other words, even a best-case authentication of the cloth and the image leaves the deepest theological claims unproven. The leap from “this is a first-century linen bearing the image of a crucified man matching Jesus of Nazareth” to “this image was produced by the Resurrection” is not a scientific inference — it is a faith commitment. That doesn’t make it wrong. But it does mean that the Shroud, at best, can be consistent with faith. It cannot be the foundation of it.
Which is perhaps why the most honest position is the one Farey implicitly models: rigorous about the evidence, humble about the conclusions.
” it might be a work of art produced by some method we have not yet been able to imagine, created by someone who knew Jesus, witnessed the crucifixion, or had access to detailed accounts of it. ”
I think that hypothesis can be excluded with reasonable doubt, in the face of the fact that even today, we cannot replicate the image.
When we consider the 25 constraints for the image formation alone, leaving all the other hurdles aside, the picture becomes pretty clear:
The Shroud of Turin: A Unified 25-Constraint Scientific Framework for Image-Formation Mechanism Evaluation
https://www.academia.edu/143734765/The_Shroud_of_Turin_A_Unified_25_Constraint_Scientific_Framework_for_Image_Formation_Mechanism_Evaluation
and here an overall assessment of the evidence for the Shrouds authenticity:
https://www.academia.edu/142994424/Evidence_Supporting_the_Shroud_of_Turins_Authenticity_A_Comprehensive_Scientific_Analysis
And the most comprehensive aproach is in my recently published book, available on Amazon: The Shroud of Turin: A Forensic Summary of the Evidence
https://www.amazon.com/Shroud-Turin-Forensic-Summary-Evidence/dp/B0GRTXM6GV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=ONDNAADGTKQ5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cTwAFwujYdVkwYfxbGggv0dKcjmEGv3PMYl2au-U-ERW83BB6LFWn5q-aiAboOO9kTmt29hs8sP2Z1059AdtIA4R4nHSPG9c46CHg5c26YMvzhs0N7csyQsconeRpQkhu0_SZU7fe6ag_wYj1AuXwxh84_OJg_gPm85sBWslXlS9JSHT0HMdHw81rjehqORvyKd-_gVsCJA34oHmD-gScKFnZHcWI1GsxD__BmxdqGo.l5Zqii1xdbqKLlfOOjmF7NO3o-La-XrH0Kz_prPZcdQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=otangelo+grasso&qid=1776531324&s=books&sprefix=ota%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C1512&sr=1-2
Hi Dan,
That’s a very kind assessment of my homework, so thank you very much. I particularly like the last eight words, and hope that you won’t mind if I adopt them as a byline.
Best wishes,
Hugh
Hi, Everybody,
David Johnson of “Skeptics and Seekers” referred to me (after the second time that I was a guest on his podcast and a frequent commenter in the comment section to the various shows that he would put on) as a “Shroud First Christian.” He’s right.
The Shroud doesn’t just stand alone in a vacuum–it needs both secular and non-secular historical evidence to give it Its greatest weight, force and understanding, but it is the singular most important piece of evidence that we have that the God of Christianity if real. I stand by that statement with every fiber of my being, and I put my credibility on the line regarding this reason and evidence-based belief of mine that I believe is so strong that reasonable doubt cannot be had regarding Its authenticity. Again, I stand by that with the fullest of force. No single piece of evidence will ever be 100% perfect for anything–except our knowing that we are conscious by way of our ability to think. But, with the body of evidence for the Holy Shroud’s authenticity being so strong–and with the context surrounding that evidence telling us WHAT the Holy Shroud is and WHEN Its images were produced, I really do not think that reasonable minds can disagree on that. I just really don’t–not if you take all of the evidence into consideration and merge it with Reason and Context. It’s a done deal–and that’s a GLORIOUS, GLORIOUS, GLORIOUS thing to be able to say with the purest of heart, the purest of mind and the force of the Holy Spirit behind that statement. I stand by this and will not waiver on it.
For a layout of the context for the Holy Shroud’s being evidence of Jesus’ resurrection, please listen to my speech at the St. Louis conference from 2025. https://youtu.be/HK1DPmxa6G0?si=at66EVb4-vvIzh6L
All the best,
Teddi
Also, I will add that one can certainly have excellent reasons for being a full-throated Christian without believing that the Holy Shroud is authentic. But, one’s ability to defend the Truth of Christianity to its fullest force will be hampered as clever atheists poke holes here and there in the reliability of what the Holy Bible states. The Holy Shroud just knocks to smithereens the doubts that these atheists try to sow about the reliability of the Holy Bible’s message about the Christian God. I was a Christian prior to learning about the Holy Shroud at around age 15. But, admittedly, my belief in Christianity at that age was based on what I had learned from my family and Sunday School and Bible classes offered at both a Lutheran school that I went to for three years and a Baptist school that I went to for two years. Back then, I had not heard the clever arguments that atheists make. Now, having heard them, and even without the Holy Shroud as evidence, I would still be a Christian, but my level of confidence would not be anywhere near as high as it is with the Holy Shroud evidence. Particularly in times of crisis, it is a wonderful gift that God gives us to be able to have not perfect evidence, but evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that He is real. What a gift to those who are receptive to receiving it and who will bend their knee to God.
And, just like Detective Columbo, “just one more thing . . .” Regarding people who appear on shows or conferences or put on exhibits regarding the Holy Shroud, it is important for everyone to know that the sheer volume of information concerning the Holy Shroud is beyond encyclopedic. No one person can perfectly defend the ins-and-outs of every piece of evidence. It’s just too much. So, instead, people focus on evidentiary highlights. However, many of these presenters have just, perhaps, read some Shroud papers but rely mostly on other peoples’ bulletpoints of the highlights. So, old information often gets repeated without these people being aware that it is old. And, a serious problem is that some Shroud presenters will know that certain evidence is no longer warranted, but because they have already been on the record for too long making certain claims (like the supposed AB blood type and species of the blood, etc.) they are resistant to updating their information–probably from not wanting their supposed “expert” status to be undermined (particularly since they did not “correct course” early on when it was discovered that this evidence was no longer viable.) So, that is a problem–a very, very serious one, and it is dishonest.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is real–and it is evident among many people who present Holy Shroud evidence to the public. Many of these people are just so excited to share what they know about the Holy Shroud–and that’s understandable–but they have not studied the evidence deeply enough (in terms of the various arguments, counter-arguments, etc.) to know what they don’t know. So, they think they know what they need to know–but, the really don’t. Most of the time, the highlights that they know are the tip of the iceberg, and they cannot discuss matters on a deeper level. And, often, their audience isn’t interested in a deep dive on matters that can be difficult to understand if one is not well-versed in Science. But, the failures of these presenters do not undermine the validity of the reliable data gotten from the STURP team, in particular. The best thing for people to do is to read the original papers by, especially, Heller and Adler and Adler’s “The Orphaned Manuscript” which is available for free on Shroud.com under their Shroud Spectrum International pieces. Heller’s book, “Report on the Shroud of Turin” is required reading for anyone who is serious about learning about the investigation that STURP performed on the Holy Shroud in 1978.
People need to go to the PRIMARY SOURCES for their information, and just let the popularizers concerning the Holy Shroud whet your appetite to learn more about it. The popularizers mean well, but they often do not get all of their evidence right. People should rely on the evidence that they get from the proverbial horse’s mouth.