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November 6, 2015

Should anyone wonder what I think about the images of coins let me be clear:  IMHO, there are no images of coins over the eyes. I can’t see them and I don’t believe it is possible that the images could be there.


imageTHIS IS GOOD NEWS: Barrie Schwortz, according to the Late Breaking News at shroud.com has added…

The Dating of the Shroud of Turin from Coins of Pontius Pilate by Francis L. Filas, S.J. – 2nd Edition, Updated to June 1982. Although not widely accepted, this theory is nonetheless a part of Shroud research and has been referenced by a number of Shroud authors, so we thought it important to archive it on Shroud.com. Our thanks to Richard Bernatchez for sharing it with us.

Thumbs up In addition, in the archives of Holy Shroud Guild, you can find:

Storm cloud Should anyone wonder what I think about the images of coins let me be clear:  IMHO, there are no images of coins over the eyes. I can’t see them and I don’t believe it is possible that the images could be there. SEE  Dear Stephen E. Jones in this blog.

Want more on the “not widely accepted [coin] theory”?  These are a representative sampling of blog postings on this topic.

  1. The Forger and the Coins: One in a Gazillion with 13 Zeroes
  2. Coins on Eyes Issue Again
  3. An Excellent Analysis of the Coins-on-the-Eyes Issue
  4. More on Max Patrick Hamon and the Coin-on-Eye Issue
Categories: Paper Chase
  1. November 6, 2015 at 6:42 am

    If you look close enough, you can actually see the pupils of the eyes. The right pupil is more easily seen as the eyelid is open just a bit more than the eye on Jesus’ left side. That is what grabbed me when I first noticed it some time back and my Guardian Angel told me what I was staring at.

  2. piero
    November 6, 2015 at 10:02 am

    I still remember the look of my father
    after he died: he had not his eyes
    truly closed, thus: not completely
    closed (ie: maybe his eyes were
    closed only for about a seventy-five percent).
    And this fact appeared evident
    some hours after the first manual
    closing of his eyelids, after his death.
    And so… Now I wonder how
    had been the eyes of Jesus after his death.

    I beg you to also consider the possible
    changes about the facial posture
    after the use of the Sudarium of
    Oviedo (thus: after the terse
    treatment of the corpse [post mortem])
    and the deposition into the tomb for
    the “provisional sepolture”.

  3. piero
    November 6, 2015 at 11:04 am

    Here I want to specify my position and
    I state that after what I heard to say from
    Professor Gonella (he had been
    questioned in Milan by a man who
    I did not know, after the presentation
    of the book he had done with Riggi)
    I’m very skeptical on the issue of coins …
    — — —
    >…Wacks still said in THE AUGUR No 35 (1982)
    “It is impossible to determine precisely
    the Judaean coin that might have caused
    the image on the Shroud since no one
    coin design – inscription, motif, and their
    relative positions – exactly matches the
    Shroud coin image. It is this third vital
    factor positioning – that Filas neglected
    to take into account when he computed t
    he mathematical probability of the coin
    image being the lituus coin of Pontius Pilate.
    If it is taken into account the probability
    becomes infinitesimal.
    To prove his case, Filas must prove
    the existence of a lituus coin of Pontius
    Pilate with an error in spelling and an
    entirely new positioning of the inscription.”… …

    Taken from:
    “SHROUD NEWS – A Newsletter about
    the Holy Shroud of Turin” by Rex Morgan
    (Author of “Perpetual Miracle”)
    Issue No. 15, September 1982

    Link:
    https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/sn015Sep82.pdf

    >…“It is conceivable that a portion of
    the barley design might extend high
    enough to cause the upright line
    following the ICA, but the chance
    of this happening is remote,” Wacks contends. …

    >…If the Shroud coin image was caused
    by a coin of Coponius or Ambibulus, it
    would cause no problems concerning
    the dating of the Shroud to the time
    of Jesus, Wacks points out, since
    coins circulated for decades and
    longer in the ancient world. …

    Link:
    http://www.amuseum.org/book/page27.html

    So,
    I ask:
    How far are you arrived in your research
    on this controversial subject?

    Haralick spent about 6 months doing
    a variety of digital enhancements to
    the photographs publishing his findings
    in 1983 in a 66-page monograph,
    “Analysis of Digital images of the Shroud of Turin”…
    I think using the same amount of time
    we would not work on an issue as
    controversial and uncertain (= the coins
    over the eyes, etc.), but we could
    work with ATR-FTIR, DRIFTs, SERS,
    AFM, CFM, AFM-Raman, etc. and
    so we would come to some
    interesting conclusions about
    the Shroud of Turin…

  4. Louis
    November 6, 2015 at 11:48 am

    Father Heinrich Pfeiffer mentioned a photograph of the “coin” on the Shroud that had been sent to Ari Kindler of the Eretz Museum in Tel Aviv and the response:
    https://www.academia.edu/14795646/An_interview_with_Professor_Heinrich_Pfeiffer_SJ

    Che Guevara died with his eyes fully open after he was shot dead in the Bolivian jungle. He said he was the opposite of Jesus, and sounded a bit like General George Patton when talking about an enemy. He wrote to his mother:

    “I am not a Christ or a philanthropist. I am all the contrary of a Christ. I fight for the things I believe in, with the weapons at my disposal and try to leave the other man dead so that I don’t get nailed to a cross or to any other place.”

  5. Hugh Farey
    November 6, 2015 at 11:50 am

    The identification of the coin over the right eye rests on a lituus, a shepherd’s crook shape, and the letters UCAI, which can form part of the inscription around the outside. However, in the case of every single lepton I can find on the internet, the letters CAI (or more usually KAI) invariably appear to the right of the vertical line of the staff and over the curl of the crook, while on the Shroud they are (if they are there at all) to the left of the vertical line. This is well discussed at http://www.amuseum.org/book/page27.html.

    • daveb of wellington nz
      November 7, 2015 at 11:42 pm

      Hugh thanks for the reference link to the coin discussion. The principal authority cited (Wacks), seems prepared to concede the presence of the coins but could not agree with its main advocate Fr Filas that it was a Pontius Pilate coin with the lituus which he says was not issued until after August 30 AD post-dating the April 7, 30 AD date often proposed as the date of the crucifixion. This is the date that Meier favours, however a date in 33 AD is also admissible when the lituus coins would have then been available. However the reference also suggests that an earlier coin issued would fit the case, viz:

      “If the Shroud coin image was caused by a coin of Coponius or Ambibulus, it would cause no problems concerning the dating of the Shroud to the time of Jesus, Wacks points out, since coins circulated for decades and longer in the ancient world. The coins of Coponius and Ambibulus are among the most common of all Prefect and Procurator issues … and they were struck only about 20 years before Jesus’ crucifixion. ”

      Personally I don’t see the coins, but that may be my lack of perception. It is interesting that Wacks is prepared to concede an earlier coin may be there, and his main difficulty seems to be in agreeing to Fr Filas’ interpretation, that it is a lituus coin rather than with the fact(?) of the coins. I would be inclined to ignore the authors’ contention that Jews viewed the coins with disfavour because they hated Pilate. I’d be certain that they used the coins in everyday transactions without a moment’s thought. [The pharisees had no difficulty in producing a so-called hated coin of the tribute to show Jesus when asked.]

  6. daveb of wellington nz
    November 6, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    There may be coins there or there may not. Assertions either way have been contentious, relying on subjective perceptions. Much of the problem seems to be that the resolution of the image being limited to the crowns of the threads does not permit a definitive answer. Those who have asserted their presence may possibly be seeing pareidolia. Those who deny their presence may lack the necessary perception. I doubt that the matter will ever be resolved because of the inherent graininess of the image. Nor does image enhancement, such as smoothing and blurring resolve the matter, as any positive results may merely be an artefact of the process. Even the very clear image of a man’s face on the planet Mars was no more than a trick of nature from mountain shadows, a pareidolia.

    I don’t think that denial of the coins on eyes should rest on claims that it was a pagan practice and unlikely to be practised in Jewish burials. Charon’s obol to pay the ferryman was a single coin placed in the mouth, not two coins on the eyes. The eyes might be thought to be the windows of the soul, and so placing coins on the eyes of the dead could be considered as a mark of respect to their privacy, whether or not it was a common practice.

  7. Chuck Hampton
    November 7, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    The coin(s) are an important data treasure concerning the nature of the image formation process, the energy responsible. The energy passed through the coins, interacting with those atoms enough to leave an image with surprising resolution on a linen cloth. WOW!

  8. Chuck Hampton
    November 7, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    Dr Haas (SMU) said to me back in 1990 that many ion ratios could be examined the next time a REAL sample(s) is made available. The clues to the nature of the event are just waiting to be discovered.

  9. Chuck Hampton
    November 7, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    I meant isotope, not ion.

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