Simon Brown has posted the following 36 minute YouTube entitled, Barrie Schwortz carefully confesses to the Muslim faith he believes Jesus died part 2 Q&A. It includes video of Pam Moon and Hugh Farey answering questions, as well.
The YouTube page includes this culturally insensitive description:
I Simon Brown was there and filmed Barrie Schwortz testifying this important fact and was concerned they may crucify us on the spot when they listened to Barrie Schwortz saying this that goes against their faith. Praise God we all made it back alive.
No, that is not Barrie. That is Hugh: an oddity of YouTube that I have no control over.
a jolly good show
Dear Dan. The crusifixion part was a humorous joke that was sent out to a handful of Christians and added on my Christian channel in which you have now sent all over the world. As certain people have no sense of humour I have to remove it. May God still bless you.
It must be noted. The Muslims are loving and caring people. In fact they believe love all and hate non. And I believe they practice what they preach.
For the record the text I quoted did not come from an email but from a very public YouTube video accessible to everyone. Calling a public site a Christian channel doesn’t make insensitive comments okay even if they are meant to be seen as a joke.
Simon has replaced the description on YouTube with: “It must be noted. The Muslims are loving and caring people. In fact they believe love all and hate non. I believe they practice what they preach. The Muslims believe Jesus was crucified, but survived death and therefor was not resurrected. However this is a great deception by the enemy and will stop millions from being saved.”
I happen to be a Christian. I believe in the Resurrection. I don’t believe that a loving God will “stop millions from being saved” because of what they believe if indeed they are “loving and caring people.” In fact, I don’t think “this is a great deception by the enemy” but that thinking it might be just might be. Your mileage may vary.
But Dan the difference is, I did not highlight that part and send it out all over the world as you made a point of doing, instead you could of nicely contacted me beforehand by email first.
Anyway thanks for updating people with the revised part.
And if you are a Christian you should believe what Jesus said and taught. King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
That means not by Allah, not by Mary, not by Buddha, but Jesus Christ of Nazareth alone, and not by being “loving and caring people.” alone.
But Jesus doesn’t specify when this ‘coming to the Father’ occurs. The assumption is that it has to happen in the here and now of this life (it can certainly begin here) but perhaps there is a moment when we pass from this reality to the next where our journey, our way, connects with Jesus as we continue to the Father. C.S. Lewis explores this wonderfully in his Great Divorce allegory.
With Scripture, as with the Shroud, we must always question our assumptions.
David I could give you countless verses confirming what Jesus said Himself saying He is the only way to be saved. Do you really want me to send you them all? Here are just some.
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Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12.
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I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:9.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. John 10:1
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Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. John 10:7
Your quotes do not contradict what I said. Yes, Jesus is the conduit to the Father. We can begin that journey today with Jesus (the kingdom is now) and we can know light and life even when our day is dark and grim. But there is more to our journey than just this life.
Wrong understanding Simon, to save we have to be like Jesus or have to love everyone (our neighbours) as ourselves like Jesus did (don’t discriminate any religion or any person). Please refer 1 John 4:17.
And where the heck did I say I did not love my neighbours. The reason why I went to this Muslim event was to reach them, and share the truth with them, simple because I care for them, that’s something called love.
So please show my one word I said proving I am wrong in understanding and do not love them.
I also added in my article if you had read it – It must be noted. The Muslims are loving and caring people. In fact they believe love all and hate non. And I believe they practice what they preach.
Let me add more to that statement – I love all people including people who may hate me, including you.
What is meaning of This Simon: “That means not by Allah, not by Mary, not by Buddha, but Jesus Christ of Nazareth alone, and not by being “loving and caring people.” alone.”
Why did you discard, Allah, Mary and Buddha. Also by following the religions founded by others you can behave like Jesus and show your love to others.
Telling the truth does NOT mean I do not love everyone or other people, in fact it means I do love and care for all, by helping them to know the truth, as Jesus said we are to confess Him and the truth.
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Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10:32.
“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God.
In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.
Sadly truth is hatred to those who hate the truth.
Jesus never asked us to be a Christian or Catholic. His main message was Kingdom of Heaven is here “Repent” or change our ways. (or follow me and practice the concept of Love”
Your comment is incorrect saying – Jesus never asked us to be a Christian. Yes He did. He Said –
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7. King James Bible
All are children of God whether you are Christian or not and so anyone can born again.
Yes, true, absolutely anyone can be excepted by Jesus if they except and believe in Him and repent and become born again.
The Shroud is another proof of our beautiful Creator God who confirms our Christian faith is not a blind faith, but the fact that Jesus has left the visible evidence of Him behind and our Heavenly Fathers love can still be seen like a fossil in a time capsule proving God’s love for ALL the world, inviting all, no matter what colour or race, to come, see, believe, follow Jesus and be saved, all because God desires not one to parish, but all to have eternal life.
May God bless you.
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24
I think YouTube grabs a frame from the middle of a video and uses that as representative of the whole. Heaven forbid that this mere dabbler in the shallows of sindonology should be mistaken for one of the giants of the field.
There are many Jewish archaeologists and scholars, many of them are secular, some are religious, others seem to believe both in the Old and New Testaments. There is one thing that unites all of them: the belief that Jesus was crucified and buried (dead) in Jerusalem.
I am pasting here what was posted on another thread yesterday:
1. August 24, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Further to my previous comment, I want to reiterate that no one has been able to disprove the assertions refuting the claim about the burial of Jesus in a location outside Jerusalem made in:
The claims that Jesus survived the crucifxion is the result of an obsession with monotheism,when people thought that God would not allow any “prophet” to die crucified.
We must remember that the New Testament is in many ways a Jewish document, because
except for Luke, the authors of the Gospels were Jews. It is for that reason that there is now an “Annotated Jewish New Testament”, a Jewish interpretation and a nice job, not drifting from the Jewish milieu.
The Jews never denied the crucifixion. Not long ago the Israeli writer Amoz Oz wrote that guilt was invented in his country 2000 years ago. Lest I be misunderstood, I hasten to say that there can be no accusation of “Christ killers”. The Gospels narratives leave no room for doubts that both Roman and Temple authorities were responsible for Jesus’ crucifixion and death. According the late Pinchas Lapide,who was a respected Jewish scholar and holocaust survivor, the Temple authorities handed Jesus over to the Romans.
No Jewish archaeologist or scholar has any doubt that Jesus was crucified and buried in Jerusalem. It is some unfounded claims that led to the controversy about the place of burial in Jerusalem, but no doubt was expressed about the crucifxion, death and burial in Jerusalem:
There are claims that some pathologists in Europe have stated that Jesus survived the crucifixion. The fact that they are not named, much less seem to have published any paper on the topic,makes them suspect.
There are pathologists/coroners who have identified themselves while dwelling on the bloodstains seen on the Sudarium, in connection with Turin Shroud studies:
Yes, I totely agree Louis with your comment. There are lots of validations confirming the gospels outside the Bible and well.
Here is one of many I wrote about.
Is this the earliest validation confirming the gospels outside the Bible, By Thallus the (historian)
Did you know there are ancient writings believed to be traced back before any of the gospels were written and dated, 50 – 52 AD, and later told by Thallus, an early historian which some Christians believe to be non-Christian validation confirming what happened at the crucifixion of Jesus, and the darkness over the whole land and an earthquake, the rending of rocks, just as we are told happen in the gospels.
And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. Mark 15:34
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent. Matthew 27:51
Early Christian use of Thallus
The 9th-century Christian chronologer George Syncellus cites Sextus Julius Africanus as writing in reference to the darkness mentioned in the synoptic gospels as occurring at the death of Jesus: Ref: From Wikipedia,
“Julius Africanus – Extant Writings, Fragment XVIII”.
“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his ‘History’, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.”
Africanus then goes on to point out that an eclipse cannot occur at Passover when the moon is full and therefore diametrically opposite the Sun.
Ref: From Wikipedia,
Voorst, Robert E. Van (2000). Jesus Outside the New Testament : An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence. Eerdmans. pp. 20-23. ISBN 0802843689.
Eusebius (fourth century) mentions a history of Thallus in three books that according to an Armenian translation of Eusebius ranged from the sack of Troy to the 167th Olympiad. Some have argued that the reason Africanus doubted the eclipse is because Easter happens near the full moon and a solar eclipse would have been impossible at that time, as was well-known. Compounding the matter is the Armenian translation of Eusebius has many corrupt numerals and so many apologists claim that 167th Olympiad (or 109 BCE) should really be 217th Olympiad.
Ref: From Wikipedia,
Jump up ^ Mosshammer, Alden E., The Chronicle of Eusebius and Greek Chronographic Tradition Bucknell University Press (Lewisburg, PA: 1979).
Dr Craig, in his article:
Thallus on the Darkness at Noon states:
Here is the passage from Africanus reproduced by Syncellus:
On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus in the third book of his History , calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the Passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Saviour falls on the day before the Passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun? Let that opinion pass however; let it carry the majority with it; and let this portent of the world be deemed an eclipse of the sun, like others a portent only to the eye. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth-manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending of rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period. But it was a darkness induced by God, because the Lord happened then to suffer. Ref: Reasonable Faith. Please see link below to the main article.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Thallus ( Greek : Θαλλός ) was an early historian who wrote in Koine Greek. He wrote a three-volume history of the Mediterranean world from before the Trojan War to the 167th Olympiad, c. 112-109 BC. Most of his work, like the vast majority of ancient literature, has been lost, although some of his writings were quoted by Sextus Julius Africanus in his History of the World .
The works are considered important by some Christians because they believe them to confirm the historicity of Jesus and provide non-Christian validation of the Gospel accounts: a reference to a historical eclipse, attributed to Thallus, has been taken as a mention of the worldwide darkness described in the Synoptic gospels account of the death of Jesus, although an eclipse could not have taken place during Passover when this took place.
Could this be genuine? Visit the links below for further study.
I am Simon Brown, thank you for reading this article.
Thallus on the Darkness at Noon http://www.reasonablefaith.org/thallus-on-the-darkness-at-noon#ixzz3Za8OmJod
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thallus_(historian)
Simon, thanks for the links.
I respect William Lane Craig, although I find it difficult to agree with everything that he says. What he says in the link you provided is reasonably argued and there is no reason to disagree with him.
I have been a Religion Writer for around twenty years and my experience in research leads me to the conclusion that fundamentalism can be dangerous. There are many questions that fundamentalists ignore and need to be addressed, as you can read in the introduction:
Sensing that science-theology dialogue was essential, Stephen Jay Gould had the following to propose:
We really do not have to read Ernest Renan to realise the impact Jesus has had on history.
Even then, questions are raised, not least because of what is happening in the world, which has left many scholars proffer different points of view:
Yes, I agree. And there are many more ways of knowing if Jesus (YESHUA) is true and is God.
Without having to read what others say. But just reading what Jesus says.
People ask me how do you know you’re Jesus is who He claims to be? And is the true God?
I tell them by the examples of Jesus skill in telling parables. No person in the world could reveal such great secrets, unless He was from heaven, and was God Himself.
No prophet knew what Jesus knew. And it is very clear Jesus taught the prophets.
Nice to talk to you.
May God bless you.
Yes, Simon, you are right about the parables because Jesus spoke in riddles.
Keep up any goog work you may be doing and God bless.
Absolutely. To divide and separate the scoffers.
Thankyou for sending me such educational links. I really appreciate them.
Keep up the good work,
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