Shroud of Turin Opinion

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I’ve been thinking of talking more with you; talk about subjects besides my creative work. Hence, I thought I would devote this section to our generic chit-chat.

As a beginning, I want to talk about the ‘Shroud of Turin’. A few days back, I was watching History-Channel, and it was showing about the current researches being done on this highly controversial artifact.

The linen cloth bears the image of a man who was crucified, and the imagery is quite in sync with Jesus’s crucifixion.

There has been a lot of debate about whether this was actually the cloth, in which Jesus was buried, or if it was someone else or perhaps if it’s just a hoax. Carbon 14 dating was done to verify the time of the linen cloth, and it was found that the cloth was from Middle Ages, ie about 1300 years after Jesus’s death. This dampened the believers’ spirit. But a follow up research, proved that the sample cloth chosen initially was a bad one because the cloth had been repaired in Middle Ages. The cloth also survived fire, and hence could have radiocarbon content indicating towards wrong age.

Some people still believe that Turin’s shroud is a proof of Jesus’s sacrifice for the mankind. The others do not.

I believe that it doesn’t matter whether the shroud is actual or not. Even if it’s not real, if it can bring some kindness and peace to today’s human race, then there is no harm believing in it. If it can bring out goodness in today’s world, then there is no harm worshipping it. The power of belief and faith can do wonders. After all, isn’t this what religion is all about?

I don’t agree with everything said here, but I like the general tone.

Shroud of Turin photographer Barrie Schwortz to speak at Shell Point

Cape Coral Daily Breezebarrie 

The final presentation in the Shell Point Retirement Community 2009 Inaugural Speaker Series will feature Barrie Schwortz, known as the Shroud of Turin Photographer, on Thursday, March 19.

The program will begin at 7 p.m. in the Village Church Auditorium on the Island at Shell Point.

The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man, a man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is in fact, the most studied artifact in human history.

Barrie Schwortz was the Official Documenting Photographer for the Shroud of Turin Research Project, the team that conducted the first in-depth scientific examination of the Shroud in 1978. Today, he plays an influential role in the Shroud research. Schwortz has conducted Shroud lectures around the world and is frequently called upon as a leading imaging expert. He has participated in programs on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, the Learning Channel, the National Geographic Channel, CNN, CBS, NBC, PBS, and BBC. His photographs have appeared in hundreds of books and publications including Time Magazine, Life, Newsweek, and National Geographic as well as in countless television documentaries.

Barrie Schwortz will share the 30-year history of Shroud research, key scientific elements about the Shroud, behind-the-scenes accounts of the research team, and his own personal story of how the Shroud of Turin has impacted his life.

"The Shroud of Turin holds a lot of historical mystery, and Mr. Schwortz has been conducting in depth research about its origin," said Dawn Boren, director of resident life for Shell Point. "He will give audience members an inside look at the research that has been done, and the 30 year history, from a personal viewpoint."

You may purchase tickets to attend Barrie Schwortz’s program for $40. To purchase tickets, or receive additional information, please call (239) 454-2067.

Shroud of Turin photographer Barrie Schwortz to speak at Shell Point – | News, sports, community info. – Cape Coral Daily Breeze

A New Comment Promoted on Tetherd Cow Ahead Discussion on the Shroud of Turin

S. J. Miller writes:

Whether the shroud is the work of a human hand (forgery, hoax, as pseudo-sceptics would say), or whether it was accidental/incidental involving a corpse under unobserved circumstances is beside the point. Also, the carbon dating problem pales into significance as far as believers or pseudo-sceptics are concerned, because the real matter at hand is the image itself.

Look at the number of ‘sceptic’ websites and papers trying to explain away the phenomenon (e.g.,, etc.). Aside from their disagreements over carbond dating analysis, pollen analysis and the apparent discoveries of paint pigments, they still fail miserably in one vital area that they arrogantly claim to have the monopoly over: objective reality.

The objective reality of the shroud is the image contained therein or thereupon. The idea that the image created on the shroud is the work of a painter seems, quite frankly, ridiculous, and as it stands, it is also impossible. As the shroud dates from at least the early renaissance period, perhaps earlier (and if the pseudo-skeptics want to have it both ways, earlier still), you are faced with the fact that the greatest painters of that period: Giotto, Fra Angelico, Uccello, Pisanello were not of a sufficient technical skill to present anything near photo-realistic depictions on panel. Even if you attribute the shrouds earliest historical mention to a later period you would still have to concede that artists such as Leonardo, Raphael and Giorgione (and that really is pushing the limits historically) still didn’t have sufficient technical capabilities to create thoroughly realistic work. But most importantly, the shroud, if a work of hand, would not just be a remarkable piece of photo realistic work, the actual application of the paint is the most telling factor. For the image to have been painted on the shroud would have taken a painter an effort so great that he would have to be able to apply correct weights of paint or pigment, from a loaded brush or other hand-held device, with a technique employing pointilism, so accurate as to be executed under conditions that would require a microscope, without error, and with such perfection as to enable a 3D image to appear using a VP-8 Image Analyzer, and of course, imagining the entire image while executing the painting, back, front and inside out to all match perfectly while taking into account perspective distortion and blood flow into relevant parts, and one last thing – the whole image would be done in negative! All of this would have to have been done by a painter WITHOUT A SINGLE MISTAKE. The microscope has shown that quite clearly.

What pseudo-sceptics don’t seem to understand is that they can’t simply sweep something under the carpet like this and hope that it goes away. No matter what the argument is regarding the age of the cloth, or even of whether it corresponds to Christ, nobody has been able to explain how the image could have been made. No painter from hundreds of years ago had the time, resources or skill to paint that image. No painter now has the time, resources or skill to paint that image. If they do, they simply have to replicate it and prove to us that it’s a forgery, but they can’t. No painter can. Some crude attempts to recreate it have been attempted, but they are certainly not as accurate, and are light years away from similar when viewed under a microscope. And so the pseudo-sceptics in their desperate attempt to debunk it remain unable to explain how a supra-genius master painter/forger had the time, skill and resources available in the 14th century to create this wonder, while nothing else exists in the world of anything near the same level of technical accomplishment. I find it both disappointing and depressing that human beings can be so dishonest and ignorant of this obvious fact.

It’s the duty of science to understand how the image came to be on the cloth. If we ever understand how it did happen by a means other than painting, we still have no means of proving that this is the shroud of Christ.

More here: More Tetherd Cow Ahead on the Shroud of Turin « Shroud of Turin Blog and at the blog entry that got this thread started here at Tetherd Cow Ahead

Shroud of Turin conference/lecture and display held from 25 Feb-10 Apr in Montreal, Canada.

The details are below in French  and English

Conferences and Exposition on the Shroud of Turin

An exposition on the Shroud of Turin from Feb.25-April 10, 2009

Espace Mont-Royal, Sanctuaire du SAINT SACREMENT
500, ave Mont-Royal Est, Montréal
Métro Mont-Royal, bus 11, 30, 97
Tel : 514 524 1131
Jeudi 5 Mars à 13h Visite GUIDEE sur l’EXPOSITION
Vendredi 6 Mars à 13h Visite GUIDEE sur l’EXPOSITION
Mercredi 4 Mars 18h à 19h CONFERENCE

Thurs. 5 March @ 1pm – guided visit of the exposition
Friday 6 March @ 1pm – guided visit of the exposition
Wednesday 4 March 6-7pm lecture

Le LINCEUL de TURIN nous permet-il de voir le CHRIST ?
The Shroud of Turin – Does It Show Us the Face of Christ?

Chapelle Notre Dame de LOURDES
1280 rue de Berri, Montréal
Tel : 514 845 8278

Jeudi 5 Mars de 19h30 à 21h30 CONFERENCE :
Thurs. 5 March from 7:30pm-9:30pm lecture:

Le LINCEUL de TURIN nous permet-il de voir le CHRIST ?
par Béatrice GUESPEREAU, et Jacques BARA de L’Association "Montre
Nous Ton Visage " Espace Mont Royal, Sanctuaire du SAINT
SACREMENT (Adresse ci-dessus)

Le Vendredi 6 Mars à 20h30 CONFERENCE :
Virgin Mary Coptic Orthodox Church
6100 Grande Allée

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