Keeping a Straight Face. Off the Wall Shroud of Turin Stuff

image Martin Gardner doesn’t think much of Frank Tipler’s books or his Shroud of Turin science. From his book (new in paperback this month), When You Were a Tadpole and I Was a Fish: And Other Speculations About This and That, he writes:

It is hard to believe that Frank Jennings Tipler exists. He is a respected physicist at Tulane University and the author of many technical papers. He is also the author of two of the most outlandish books ever written about religion: The Physics of Immortality (1994) and The Physics of Christianity (2007).

He goes on to say:

All conservative Christians believe Jesus was free of the original sin that resulted from the fall, which has been passed on to all descendents of Adam. Catholics think that Mary, too, escaped original sin. (For Catholics is heresy to reject the immaculate conception.) How does Tipler explaining the way that Jesus and Mary differ in this manner from all other humans?

Tipler’s answer is wonderful. There must be genes that carry original sin! This can be verified some day, he writes, by first identifying the gene. Thus, failing to find evidence of the gene on the Shroud of Turin would explain the sinlessness of both Jesus and his mother.

(I am, dear reader, doing my best to keep a straight face while I summarize Tipler’s convictions.)

As much as I love the Shroud and believe it is real, I, too, like Gardner, have a hard time keeping a straight face.

Available at Amazon, When You Were a Tadpole and I Was a Fish: And Other Speculations About This and That in hardback, paperback and Kindle.

Shroud of Turin comment from another blog

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Janet Ann Collins, writer, speaker and teacher writes:

You can’t believe the Shroud is real if you believe the Bible. Since the Sabbath began at sundown on Friday the body couldn’t be prepared for burial until the first day of the week so it wouldn’t have been put in a shroud yet. That’s why the women went to the tomb with spices, etc. – to treat the body and put a shroud on it. They found a cloth that had been on Jesus’ face separate from the one on his body.

You might be interested in my book, The Peril of the Sinister Scientist. It’s about a kid who thought he was cloned from the blood on the Shroud of Turin.

imageJanet, you say that Jesus’ body wouldn’t have been put in a shroud yet, and then you say that they found a cloth that had been on Jesus’ face separate from the one on his body. If that other cloth, not the one that had been on his face, wasn’t a shroud, what was it?

It was the account of the smaller cloth (the sudarium), the one that had been on his face, that helped convince John A. T. Robinson, the Anglican Bishop, biblical scholar and author of “Honest to God” to conclude that the Shroud wasn’t fake. He realized that a medieval faker of relics would have had the same understanding: there would have been a cloth on Jesus’ face and hence no facial image on the Shroud. So, he concluded – and for other reasons as well – that it was probably real.

While I admired Robinson for many years, on matters of biblical scholarship, I have my own perspective on this matter. I see absolutely no conflict between biblical text on this and the Shroud. I rather suspect, but certainly cannot prove by scripture or science, 1) that Jesus face was covered at the cross, 2) that his body was enshrouded in the tomb and the face cloth removed, 3) that there was insufficient time to complete the burial because of the Sabbath beginning at sundown and thus 4) the women returned on Sunday morning to complete what had been started on Friday afternoon.

If there is a conflict between scripture and science, I will almost certainly side with science. I always do and find no discomfort in assigning metaphorical significance when that happens. However, there is insufficient science on the specific point you make and insufficient scriptural clarity as well.

I will make the point of reading The Peril of the Sinister Scientist. I noticed that it is available at Amazon ($7.95) and that there is a Kindle edition ($4.00) as well.  I notice that suggested age is 7 to 12 so I should be able to handle it. I’ll let you know what I think.

Thanks for posting at Interesting Perspective: Carry the Hat – GOD, CHRIST: QUESTIONS & FAITH

GET IT FREE: The Shroud of Turin vindicated. Best Philosophy Books Want you to pay for it.

Best Philosophy Books is trying to get you to buy “The Shroud of Turin vindicated: An article from: Catholic Insight” for $5.95. If you buy it they will stuff it into your Amazon Digital Locker as quickly as they can take your money. This is what they say:

This digital document is an article from Catholic Insight, published by Catholic Insight on October 1, 1999. The length of the article is 796 words. The page length shown above is based on a typical 300-word page. The article is delivered in HTML format and is available in your Amazon.com Digital Locker immediately after purchase. You can view it with any web browser.

STOP. DO NOT CLICK GO. DO NOT PAY $5.95. Go over to the The Free Library by Farlex and get it for FREE.

The Face of God Book Trailer

I have not read the book. I have some reservations, particularly the Shroud of Turin connection. But this needs to examined. Stay tuned.

Available at Amazon, etc. Also available for Kindle (Kindle, iphone, ipad, etc.)

Lost at Sea of Confusion. This is a Shroud of Turin Book?

image It is hard to imagine even reading this book, Lost at Sea, by Bernie Schwindt, after reading this blurb from the publisher’s website. Maybe the publisher isn’t being fair to Mr. Schwindt. “Bernie, can you send me something I can understand?”

Mocked, scourged, and spit on, He is nailed and raised up into the branches of a tree where one side demands He get down to prove He is the Messiah; while the other side, after 1988 years of decay from this crossover point, admits to these huge carbon-dating errors and ask to be remembered at the end of time.

And this: What does this mean?

LOST AT SEA is about the transformation of Jesus upon this shroud of mystery where 12% more radioactive C14 atoms are metered in this spectrum by the accelerator mass spectrometer than on the stump of the tree Christ is crucified upon: Hidden with chalk slammed across this chalkboard down in the basement of a museum —with exclamation ranging from 1260-1390! — carbon-dating reveals the Trinity bursting into light, as these souls saw the Trinity roar up into light in 1945 AD in the branches of this bush where theses commanding tongues of fire burn away in this wilderness.

And this from a sample page:

After He shed His blood around His doorway where His crucified image appears upon His burial cloth, all hell breaks loose around this controversial three-dimensional negative image where the “radioactive mass of C14 atoms” in this carbon spectrum (C12 + C13 + C14) is charged and accelerated through this magnetic field to strike this instrument head square in the face inside this accelerator mass spectrometer, where it bears witness to the face of Truth crucified: The radioactivity level metered around His image shoots sky-high with 11.6 % more radioactive C14 atoms metered in His spectrum than on the stump of the tree up on which He is crucified.

With 11.6 % more C14 atoms metered around His image than upon the stump of the tree Christ is crucified upon, this “radiocarbon date” shoots up – at the center of this storm – 1292 radiocarbon years into the future … far away from where this soul below denies —with exclamation, “I tell you I do not know this man!”

The accelerator mass spectrometer meters that this mysterious image was fabricated – not in ad 30, but some 1230 – 1360 carbon years into the future – far from the stump of the tree they cut down for Him to carry up to this Place of the Skull, where they challenge Him below to get down from the cross.

Bernie, if you can provide some substantive explanations, I’ll publish them. For now, I’m stuck scratching my head.

Lost at Sea by Bernie Schwindt (Author)

“The Face of God” – Holy Face of Manoppello – Connection to the Shroud of Turin?

Ignatius Press:

image SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 21, 2010 – “The Face of God” is a “gripping cultural thriller,” declares the German newsmagazine “Der Spiegel.” Such praise is common for well-written mysteries, detective stories, thrillers, and other works of fiction.

This book, however, is not fiction.

In “The Face of God: The Rediscovery of the True Face of Jesus,” journalist, historian and best-selling author Paul Badde reports in tantalizing detail on his exciting quest to uncover the truth behind a rare, mysterious cloth housed in small church in the remote village of Manoppello, Italy. Better known as the Holy Face of Manoppello, this is a relic recently rediscovered and, prior to Badde’s research, thought by many to be “Veronica’s Veil” – the cloth used to wipe Jesus’ face as He carried his cross to Golgotha for crucifixion.

Badde’s research and reports on the Holy Face of Manoppello prompted a 2006 visit to the relic by Pope Benedict XVI – in spite of counsel against it by others in the Vatican. Badde compiles and expands on those dispatches in “The Face of God.”

The German newspaper Bild called the results of Badde’s work “almost beyond our imagination.”

The image of a man’s face on the cloth in Manoppello is clearly visible. Most astonishing—when the face of the Shroud of Turin is laid over the Holy Face of Manoppello, the two images form a perfect match. They are the same face.

Unlike the image on the Shroud, however, which is a “negative,” the Holy Face of Manoppello is a “positive” image on a cloth made of byssus, or sea silk, a rare and delicate fabric woven from a silky filament produced by mollusks. The fabric is so thin and delicate it is impossible to paint on.

The Face of God” reports the conclusion by experts that the cloth of Manoppello is not Veronica’s veil, but rather a burial cloth of Jewish tradition that was laid over the face of Jesus in the tomb.

The book recounts Badde’s thrilling journey of discovery as he travels to research this remarkable relic, tracing the turbulent history of the Holy Face from ancient times to the historic visit to Manoppello by Pope Benedict XVI.

Badde is a best-selling author, renowned journalist and historian. He has been an editor of Die Welt since 2000, first as the Jerusalem correspondent and, most recently, as the Vatican correspondent in Rome. His other works include “Maria of Guadalupe: Shaper of History, Shaper of Hearts;” “Jerusalem, Jerusalem;” and “The Heavenly City.”

Ignatius Press will publish “The Face of God” in November, in hardcover, and Badde will be in the U.S. for a multi-city book tour that same month.

New Review of Old Turin Shroud by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince

The title of the book changed in 2007. The Turin Shroud: How Da Vinci Fooled History. Who said a review had to be timely. Read this one. It begins:

If one would like to know about facts and reasoning on the subject, this is not quite the book one should begin with.

One generally picks up a book of this sort for information about what is going on, what is known, and so forth. Opinions and biases of writers are bound to come in, but good writers and thinkers manage to sift through what is known and go with some reasonable logic to their conclusions and manage to present them in their work with some credibility. That last part is somewhat missing or at least garbled in this work.

Less than halfway through one manages to see the pattern that continues consistently – the duo has arrived at some conclusions and are presenting them as fait accompli from almost page one, without going through the process of reason or logic for benefit of the reader. It begins to look like a session of bashing up some other writers and thinkers and more, on the whole, and it is not clear why since the thinking process of this duo is obscure.

Often they object to the thinking or logic or conclusions of others with huge gaps in their own logic for doing so, and it is repeatedly this sort of confusing material that brings one to suspect that the whole idea is to bash up the reader with a great deal of emotionally charged diatribe without much logic until one gives up and agrees with the writers – a typical tool of gossip sessions of afternoon coffee sessions.

Reviews – Books I Read – DRJG: Turin Shroud: by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince.

Huffington Post Write Up on new book, “The Shroud”

Good publicity campaign. I’m getting twittered, facebooked, HufPo’d and YouTubed.  “Can the Commingling of Science and Spirituality be Transformative?” asks a HufPo headline yesterday in a story about Steven and Michael Meloan’s “The Shroud”

THE SHROUD is an adventure novel that explores the intersection between science and spirituality. Drs. Robert Strickland and Jordan Randall are genomic researchers at the National Institutes of Health. They are asked by the Vatican to use leading edge technology to shed new light on the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. The ensuing investigative journey–from Washington D.C., to Israel, to Belize–has global repercussions, and transforms the lives of all involved.

Trailer for The Shroud by Meloan and Meloan

Why not for books, too? It is less than two minutes long.

More on Stiff

A reader asks by email:

You are just being facetious when you tell us the name of Barbet’s crucifixion cadaver was Spalding Gray, right?

No. Mary Roach is. Undoubtedly, right? Spalding Gray’s specialty as an actor was acting very WASP like.

The Book ‘Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers’ and the Shroud of Turin

image It’s the book you have been waiting for. It is the book you want to discuss at parties – maybe at a Sunday afternoon BBQ. It is "Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers,” by Mary Roach. It was a New York Times best seller earlier this year, a fact that I hadn’t noticed. One reviewer, among many hundreds over at Amazon.com, wrote: " Roach has written a very interesting, while not too ghoulish, book about the uses of human cadavers. " Another reviewer said is was morbidly awesome.

There is an entire chapter called Holy Cadaver: The Crucifixion Experiment. It deals with the work of Dr. Pierre Barbet on the Shroud of Turin in 1931, which he detailed in his book, "A Doctor at Calvary." Roach also discusses Fred Zugibe’s work in some detail.

Barbet thought it was important to use a cadaver (several arms as well) for his experiments. Roach doesn’t like it. She writes:

To my mind there is no "greater office" than that of "alleviating the pains of our brothers" — certainly not the office of religious propaganda. Some people, as we’re about to see, manage to alleviate their brother’s pains and suffering while utterly dead. If there were ever a cadaver eligible for sainthood, it would not be our Spalding Gray [the cadaver] upon the cross, it would these guys: the brain-dead, beating-heart organ donors that come and go in our hospitals every day. (emphasis mine).

The book, actually, does a nice job of summarizing Barbet’s and Zugibe’s work. Zugibe, by the way, "is a gruff, overworked medical examiner . . ."

Review of Pamela Ewen’s ‘The Secret Of the Shroud’ from the Christian Fiction Blog Alliance

First, about Pamela Ewen, the author: Read that here.

Then about the book:

A frightened apostle in AD 33, a tragic child in the 1950s, and a slick, twenty-first century church leader are all linked by the secret of the Shroud of Turin, the purported burial cloth of Jesus-and by something more.

Wesley Bright, a corrupt, media-savvy clergyman, is out to destroy the Christian church of the God who abandoned him in his boyhood. Likable and entertaining, Bright keeps his motives well hidden. But as he seeks revenge, leading the church toward unknowing destruction, the mysterious Shroud of Turin stands in his way.

Strange characters and clues emerge like shadows limned in mist as the most recent discoveries on the Shroud connect the pieces of a fascinating puzzle. When Wesley learns the ancient secret, he’s forced to confront a terrible choice: keep the secret—and the power, wealth, and fame he’s won over the years—or expose it…and lose everything.

At stake is one thing: absolute truth.

I know I’m repeating myself. It is a very well written page turner. Get it.

The Shroud by Steven Meloan, Michael Meloan.

image A friend just recommended the recently released novel, The Shroud, by Steven Meloan and Michael Meloan. “It’s pretty powerful,” he wrote. Here is a description from Amazon.com.

image "The Shroud" is a full throttle ride through the culture war between science and religion. Geneticists battle Christian fundamentalists over the most important cloning experiment imaginable; the battle unfolds in a circle of desire, reason, and choice centered on a sincere search for the truth. Written with the authority of genuine biologists in a style that mixes Harlan Coben suspense with a dash of Dan Brown in the style of Dean Koontz, and characters you want to argue with in a bar while your motorcycles are parked outside. –Ransom Stephens, Ph.D., author of "The God Patent"

It is the near future, and a genetic research team from the NIH has been asked by the Vatican to use the latest findings of the Human Genome Project to shed new light on the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. The lead researcher, Robert Strickland M.D., is an agnostic with spiritual leanings. But as the inquiry proceeds, it appears that this is indeed the burial cloth of the historical Jesus. The vestment’s bloodstains, and their genetic data, open up the possibility of cloning, which sparks international protest movements. The ensuing investigative journey–from Washington D.C., to Israel, to Belize–has global repercussions, and forever transforms the lives of all involved.

It is available in paperback at Amazon. It has a five star rating at Amazon (17 5s and 2 4s). The price is $12.95. The e0version for Kindle version is 6.95. I’m downloading now.

Amazon.com: The Shroud (9780615352152): Steven Meloan, Michael Meloan: Gateway

New Shroud of Turin Novel: Secret of the Shroud

imageSecret of the Shroud by Pamela Ewen. It is available at Amazon, Borders, Barnes and Noble, etc. for $14.95. It is also available in Kindle format (iphone, ipad, Kindle) for $9.60.

  • ISBN13: 9781433671159
  • ISBN: 1433671158
  • BINC: 3188559

A frightened apostle in AD 33, a tragic child in the 1950s, and a slick, twenty-first century church leader are all linked by the secret of the Shroud of Turin, the purported burial cloth of Jesus-and by something more. 

Wesley Bright, a corrupt, media-savvy clergyman, is out to destroy the Christian church of the God who abandoned him in his boyhood. Likable and entertaining, Bright keeps his motives well hidden. But as he seeks revenge, leading the church toward unknowing destruction, the mysterious Shroud of Turin stands in his way. Strange characters and clues emerge like shadows limned in mist as the most recent discoveries on the Shroud connect the pieces of a fascinating puzzle. When Wesley learns the ancient secret, he’s forced to confront a terrible choice: keep the secret—and the power, wealth, and fame he’s won over the years—or expose it . . . and lose everything.

At stake is one thing: absolute truth.

Link to the author’s website