“poets, chroniclers, knights and others who were involved tell their own stories
and, in so doing, illuminate this time in history, the Hundred Years War,
when a most extraordinary and important story [of the shroud] unfolds”
David Day writes:
I would like to draw your attention to a narrative I have recently placed online called: The Lirey Toga.
This is the result of research into my ancestors, the De Noyers, and their involvement with the Holy Shroud, later known as the Shroud of Turin, when it was in France during the Hundred Years War.
While carrying out this work many links came to light between the Holy Shroud and Joan of Arc culminating in a remarkable conclusion concerning the Holy Shroud itself.
It is interesting, well written and informative. I am reminded of Daniel Scavone’s several papers in which he argues that emerging knowledge in Western Europe about the Holy Shroud in Constantinople, the Mandylion, inspired the legends of the Holy Grail. Some papers, I think, to read once again on an autumn Sunday afternoon.
A you-should-get-the-point sample from about midpoint:
. . . Does Joan of Arc ever set eyes on the Holy Shroud? Therein lies a Rembrandt or
a Van Dyke painting. Reluctantly, I believe the answer has to be that she did not since such an occasion would, without doubt, have been recorded.However, apart from such fascinating conjecture, the proximity of the Holy Shroud to Joan’s birthplace of Domrémy lingers in the mind and I begin to wonder if there are other links between the Shroud and her life. . . .
David’s paper sort of draws to a conclusion around page 40 with this:
The essential features of the Arthurian saga, containing both historical and fictional elements, have been fulfilled in the life of Joan of Arc. All have become real: Excalibur and Joan of Arc’s sword from the church of Sainte Catherine of Fierbois. There are the several Avallon links via the families associated with caring for the Holy Shroud and, especially, Joan’s riding out of Avallon on the way from Vaucouleurs to Chinon. There are the dramatic similarities between Lançelot and Alençon. There is the route of military confrontation followed by both Joan of Arc and Arthur along the Loire with both ending up in Burgundy. Furthermore, both are betrayed. What Arthur does in history and fiction, Joan of Arc does in reality. I fully believe that her realisation of Galahad makes the Holy Shroud, with which she has many links, the equivalent in her life of the Holy Grail. This being the case, since all the other main features of the Arthurian saga have been realised, the Holy Grail itself is now actualised in the form of the Holy Shroud. In other words it too becomes real. This means it is, truly, the Holy Shroud of Jesus Christ.
Okay, one might believe so. But then:
This immensely holy item, the Holy Shroud, has here been identified with the Holy Grail. Is this acceptable? Does the Holy Grail itself contain information that could provide the answer to this question? Here is something interesting. What is to be found in the twelve letters that constitute the three words, The Holy Grail? One word that can be made if the letters are reconstituted is, LIREY. Among the remainder of letters a second word stands out and the letters are in the correct order. The word is, TOGA, defined, and so similar to the Shroud, as a long piece of cloth worn wrapped around the body. The Holy Grail transmutes itself into the Lirey Toga, a garment worn by a living Roman at the time of Christ. How appropriate considering Christ’s miraculous Resurrection.
Do read it. You will learn a lot about and from the . . .
poets, chroniclers, knights and others who were involved tell their own stories and, in so doing, illuminate this time in history, the Hundred Years War, when a most extraordinary and important story unfolds.
So… The remaining letters are “H”x2. HH = His Holiness… The Pope! Who clearly knew of this code and the true identity of The Holy Grail. It all makes sense now!
Thank the Lord for Dan, who reads all this stuff so we don’t have to!
And THAT early in the morning to boost.
There are many ‘dimensions’ to the Shroud: obviously the scientific, the historic, textile aspects, the iconic, the spiritual, its religious significance, less obviously the symbolic and even the poetic. I think it was Jung who asserted that the symbolism of a true mandala can never be exhausted. The poetic aspect is what David Day appears to be bringing to light in his ‘Lirey Toga’. It is a legitimate avenue, and cannot be derided, merely because it does not accord with the interests of those with a more scientific bent. The Grail aspects have often been mentioned in various Conference papers.
Fair enough.
Ah, very true.
Max is going to have a field day with this one, in three…two…
The word “graal” has been used in French Literature since around 1180 CE i.e. one century and a half before the very word “grail” first appeared as an English term (in 1330 CE ) and was applied to the mythical quest object. Now in the 14th c. CE, French was the international vehicular language of the Catholic world.
“In 1328, the last of the Capetians (Charles IV) died without an heir. The King of England asserted his right to the throne, but the French princes preferred Philippe VI of Valois (1337). So it was that two French-speaking kings struggled for control of the kingdom of France until 1453—the period known as the 100 Years’ War. This lengthy conflict weakened the French monarchy, which lost a number of provinces to England until the intervention of Constable Du Guesclin (1320–1380) under Charles V and later Joan of Arc (1412–1431) under Charles VII finally swung the advantage back to the King of France, who gradually retook Paris (1436),
Normandy (1450), Guienne (1453), and other regions.”
“In reaction against France, English replaced French at the Parliament of London in 1363. After the defeat of Agincourt (1415), the Treaty of Troyes (1420) recognized Henry V of England as the heir to the kingdom of France. He was the first king of England to use English in official documents, and he drew up his will in English. However, French continued to be the spoken language of the English court since most of England’s monarchs came from France.”
(See http://www.slmc.uottawa.ca/?q=french_history)
So recurring to the English appellation “The Holy Grail” to code (in English) “Lirey Toga” doesn’t make sense here at all since the appellation known by the French and English elite was first and foremost that of “Li Saint Graal” of which anagram just cannot be “The Lirey Toga”!
Reminder: the old French word ‘grail’ translates “(diamond-shaped) metallic trellice”. Ring some bell?
It seems that we can agree after all.