So is that the Shroud of Turin depicted in the Hungarian Pray Codex?

Just in case you missed it, there is a lively discussion going on about the Hungarian Pray Codex illustration in the posting, Significant Endorsement: Former Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury backs The Shroud Affair. It was supposed to be a discussion about that but it became a conversation about Ian Wilson’s work (Wilson’s name is mentioned 65 times). But then, starting with comment #61, a most thoughtful discussions on the Pray Manuscript picture began: is that the Shroud of Turin depicted in the Hungarian Pray Codex?

Why is this important? Because we often say that the Hungarian Pray Codex is historical evidence that the carbon dating is wrong and that the shroud had a history before Lirey, France of the mid-14th century.

After nearly a hundred comments, none of them insignificant, David Goulet writes:

I can see how some people connect the Pray codex to the Shroud. The L shape holes, the weave implication, red lines approximating blood. But I can also see Hugh’s argument that these are not conclusive evidence, that there could be other explanations. Confirmation bias is a legitimate problem here — seeing what we expect to see. If you deny this (I’m not saying you are) you would be deluding yourself.

and the beat goes on. 

Click on the image above or here for an 883 by 1386 pixels, high resolution image of the illustration. Now pour a cup of coffee or tea or pour a tall cool something or other and click on comment #61 and start reading. Then read these past postings.

• The Curious ‘a’ in the Hungarian Pray Manuscript (March 2013)
• Pray Manuscript: Thank you Colin and David Mo (June 2012)
• A Pointless Discussion of the Hungarian Pray Manuscript? (June 2012)
• A Masterly Demolition of the Hungarian Pray Manuscript? (June 2012)
• Jones on the Hungarian Pray Manuscript Codex as discussed in Wikipedia (May 2012)
• Or the artist of the fake knew of the Pray Manuscript and incorporated these signs into his forgery (May 2012)

and we are a long way from certainty and agreement. Join in. Or comment here. FYI, I still think that is the shroud in the Pray Codex. But I get it, too. And this is why I blog.