A reader writes:
There is another video overlay matchup similar to the one you posted Aug 19 [*]. You can find it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2AdNTKcGnc. It was posted by the child prodigy Akiane Kramarik.
In fact, here it is, It is only 21 seconds long, just long enough to show the similarities between the shroud face and her world famous painting, Prince of Peace. It is believed that Akiane had never seen the Shroud of Turin before creating her painting.
The video seems to be an extract from a video by Phil Dayvault that I covered in a posting, Heaven is for Real, the Akiane Prince of Peace, the ISA Mosaic and the Shroud of Turin on April 21st of this year.
The following is from Wikipedia:
Akiane Kramarik (/æˈkiːænæ/; born July 9, 1994) is an American poet and artist. She is known as a child prodigy and has begun drawing at the age of four. Kramarik is world-renowned for her paintings, but especially for her piece, Prince of Peace, which was completed at the age of eight.
Akiane Kramarik was born July 9, 1994, in Mount Morris, Illinois to a Lithuanian mother and an American father. She is homeschooled.
She is primarily a self-taught painter. She states that God spoke to her when she was four years old, encouraging her to paint and draw her visions. Her parents were atheistsat the time (they later converted to Christianity because of Kramarik’s paintings and visions). She started drawing at the age of four, and advanced to painting at six, and writing poetry at seven. Her first completed self-portrait sold for US$10,000. A portion of the money generated from sales is donated by Kramarik to charities. According to Kramarik, her art is inspired by her visions of heaven, and her personal connection with God. Her art depicts life, landscape, and people.
At the age of 10, she appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show and at the age of 12, on CNN.
To date, she has completed over 200 published art works, 800 literary creations and published two best selling books.
* Matching Faces. Is it Possible? Do read the many comments under this posting about issues related to the validity of such matching. I find it helpful but not certain.
James Day, a campus minister at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, in Catholic Exchange finds acheiropoieta – images of mysterious origins – encouraging in our era.
In the third millennium, the face of God has become an archaic relic, entire generations having turned its back on it. Christ is now an acceptable cartoon while Catholic-raised artists and writers ignore encouragement to follow the footsteps of Michelangelo, Dante or Mozart. The Incarnation and Resurrection have gone from the world’s greatest events to childish after thoughts. Facebook five hundred years ago might have been a collection of Veronica images from Edessa to Oviedo.
And yet, in spite (or precisely because of today’s visual ego) the Veronica, the Shroud of Turin and the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe, three images known as acheiropoieta—“not made by human hands”—captivate the imagination of all people of goodwill. That images of mysterious origins continue to catch our dulled eyes is both a telling sign of God the Artist’s eternal masterwork and a divine invitation to conversion.
The search for the face is newly enabled:
The search for the face of God dominated the Old Testament, most especially in the Psalms. “Your face, Lord, do I seek!” intones Psalm 27. Modern technology has immensely aided the psalmist’s longing by providing an outlet for close scrutiny of the acheiropoieta images, whether it be Juan Diego’s tilma in Mexico City or the ancient Shroud in Turin. It was a photographic negative that uncovered the figure of a man in the Shroud in 1898, just as digital photography today has transmitted the Holy Face in Manoppello to the rest of the world.
It is called The Jesus Code: Six Relics That Tell the Remarkable True Story of the Gospels. Of course, one of those relic is the Shroud of Turin. It is due out in February 2015, and you can pre-order it now at Amazon. The hardcover will sell for $20.24 and the Kindle edition for $12.99. There will also be an audio version which is a sure sign that the book is expected to be popular with high sales.
Here is what we can read at Amazon:
As featured in the 6-part CNN SERIES "The Jesus Code"
THE JESUS CODE explores six major artifacts, including the Shroud of Turin, the True Cross, and the Holy Grail, that give us the most direct evidence about the life and world of Jesus. The book and attendant CNN series provide a dramatic way to retell "the greatest story ever told" while introducing a broad audience to the history, the latest controversies, and newest forensic science involved in sorting out facts from the fiction of would-be forgers and deceivers. The book and the show draw on experts from all over the world. Beyond the faithful, the book will appeal also to the skeptical and to curious readers of history and archaeology, while it takes viewers of the primetime TV series deeper into the story. With a fascinating, blockbuster subject, top-notch authors, and official CNN tie-in and support, we have tremendous opportunity to make THE JESUS CODE a bestseller and category classic.
As featured in the 6-part CNN SERIES "The Jesus Code"? What 6-part series? A bit of Googling and we find Entertainment Weekly informing us that:
Most provocatively, the network announced at its upfront presentation to advertisers in New York City, The Jesus Code, a series which promises to take viewers on a “forensic and archaeological journey through the Bible” (cue jokes about CNN looking for a ratings miracle). Religious-themed programming has been considered hot since History stunned the industry with its ratings-shattering The Bible miniseries last year. The Jesus Code “will take viewers on a thrilling high-stakes journey through forensics, biblical archeology and forgery in history, exploring the evidence of Jesus’ existence by questioning the authenticity of sacred relics.”
Back to Amazon. The authors are:
- DAVID GIBSON is an award-winning religion journalist, author and filmmaker who specializes in covering the Catholic Church. He appears frequently on network and cable television as a commentator on religious affairs and is a frequent commentator on NPR. He has written and co-written three prior books and also writes for The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Magazine, Boston Magazine, and Fortune among others.
- MICHAEL MCKINLEY is an award-winning author, filmmaker, journalist and screenwriter. He has written several books, and wrote and co-produced the CBC TV documentary film "Sacred Ballot", as well as several documentaries for CNN Presents.
What else? The hardcover will be 256 pages. The publisher is St. Martin’s Press (February 24, 2015). ISBN-10: 1250069106, ISBN-13: 978-1250069108
Mark Shea, writing in the National Catholic Register, is explaining that the Catholic Church does not have a position on everything:
And this is the case with the bulk of the Church’s Tradition. There are a few (a very few) restrictions concerning what Catholics may and may not believe and do, but one can be a perfectly faithful Catholic and believe, disbelieve or care nothing about evolution, farm subsidies, tax reform, just war theory, pacifism and smoking. One can hold all sorts of opinions about the duration of purgatory, the music of Spike Jones, the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, the question of whether there is time in Heaven, whether Our Lady died and whether we should have fought the Vietnam War. The Church has no “official position” on these and a billion other questions. She prefers freedom whenever possible. This is why, in 2000 years, the number of dogmatic definitions the Church has formulated is so very, very small.
And then there are Anglicans. One Anglican, alone, “can hold all sorts of opinions” at the same time. As for Episcopalians, who are Anglicans, we had the late Robin Williams, himself an Episcopalian, to explain, as he did in an HBO special, Top 10 Reasons to be an Episcopalian:
10. No snake handling.
9. You can believe in dinosaurs.
8. Male and female God created them; male and female we ordain them.
7. You don’t have to check your brains at the door.
6. Pew aerobics.
5. Church year is color-coded.
4. Free wine on Sunday.
3. All of the pageantry — none of the guilt.
2. You don’t have to know how to swim to get baptized.
And the Number One reason to be an Episcopalian:
1. No matter what you believe, there’s bound to be at least one other Episcopalian who agrees with you.
Robin Williams, pictured above, also played the role of an Episcopal priest in the movie, License to Wed.
No, I don’t get a commission.
Dave Kinsella just this week uploaded this video of Gary Habermas presenting “a convincing argument detailing the arguments in favour of the Shroud’s authenticity,” as he puts it. “I was skeptical til I watched this,” he adds. The video runs 44 minutes. It looks good. I disagree with several points, like the discussion of the coin images over the eyes.
It is a good talk. I’ve never seen it before and I don’t know when this was recorded.
How influential is Gary Habermas when it comes to the shroud?
I don’t know. But if you search YouTube for “GARY HABERMAS SHROUD OF TURIN” you encounter 2320 videos. There are, of course, duplicates. But it is also evident, just by the numbers, that Dr. Habermas is an influential speaker out on the circuit and on the Internet. By comparison here are two other YouTube search counts:
- BARRIE SCHWORTZ SHROUD OF TURIN: yields 4660 videos
- RUSS BREAULT SHROUD OF TURIN: yields 750 videos
If I search Google directly for videos thus:
- GARY HABERMAS SHROUD OF TURIN: I get 13,100 videos
- BARRIE SCHWORTZ SHROUD OF TURIN: I get 7,550 videos
- RUSS BREAULT SHROUD OF TURIN: I get 5,160 videos
Something seems counter intuitive here. Well, anyway, Habermas is influential. (We really should count views but I have other things to do with my life).
And who is Gary Habermas?
And here is something I posted ten months ago:
As we read on the website today: “Museum Closing After Sunday 8/10/2014 until we relocate.”
Writes Pete Schumacher:
Shroud Exhibit and Museum (SEAM) is forced to move or close operations by September 1, 2014. For 5 and-a-half years, White Sands Mall has generously donated 1900 square feet of prime facilities including all utilities to the Shroud Exhibit and Museum. Recent success has brought them many new paying tenants and they have been able to lease the space in which we have been operating since our opening.
We are very thankful to the owners of White Sands Mall, and to the staff that manages and maintains the mall, for without this generous gift SEAM would not have come into existence. We congratulate them on their success and wish them every success in the future.
So, now it is time to either start a new chapter for the exhibit and museum or end its operations. What happens is up to this community. Your help is needed if we are to continue.
We have a very limited budget. We do not charge fees to enter the exhibit. Nobody is paid to work for SEAM. We are an all-volunteer organization in staff and management. Therefore we need a space that is rent-free and utility-free to the extent possible. The location should be in a commercial area where shopping or tourism is dominate and must be a place where children and staff are in a safe environment.
SEAM is now world famous. Visitors come from Mexico and from neighboring states and communities for the sole purpose of visiting the museum. Some have come from other countries, including France and Panama Central America just to experience the Shroud of Turin through this unique exhibit. The exhibit clearly defines the role of New Mexico science and scientists in the history of the Shroud. It has been good for tourism and good for pride in our community of Alamogordo. On the Internet, over 60,000 visitors and 95 countries have spent time learning about all of this. Many hearts have been converted and souls have been set back onto right path.
If there is any way you can help us, please contact us immediately. Thank you.
Yours in Christ, Deacon Pete Schumacher; Phone: 415-5206; ShroudNM.com
this is, of course, what we do best: answer questions
Kenneth K. Vernor writes:
I am a new student in the shroud world, but I am about 98% convinced it is legitimate.
I am interested in studying the scourging in depth. Mostly, I would like to read accounts of HOW the Romans scourged.
So far I have come across these methods:
The two most common seem to be tied with His hands above His head facing a column or a small post and tied to a low post. The third one is suspension by His hands with 100 lbs of weight tied to the feet. And I found one reference that mentions being tied between two columns.
In all instances He was naked.
I have also read accounts where salt was applied to the wounds. In another salt water was dumped on Him if He passed out.
I have read two well researched papers on scourging (Scourge bloodstains on the Turin Shroud: an evidence for different instruments used by Barbara Faccini, New Image Processing of the Turin Shroud Scourge Marks by Barbara Faccini and Giulio Fanti) that differs from Zugibe’s book. While Zugibe wrote a great book, I do believe he missed the boat on the scourging. He thought the Romans did the Jewish thing and limited the beating to 40 strokes. I do not know why he would think that. They didn’t follow other Jewish rules like where to administer the strokes. Plus, I am confident the Man of the shroud had well over 40 strokes. (Zugibe counted over 100 and using a three thonged flagrum, that would fit in his window. However, I would assume the Body had many more scourge marks that are not imaged on the shroud; on the sides and under the arms. Faccini counted 196 flagrum marks with a total of 372 including all the marks.)
At any rate, these two papers show scourge marks across the middle of the chest. I would think this may point to the suspension method. (with another type of whip also being used) Acts 22:25 seems to also support this method. What do you think?
Can you point me to some information on Roman scourging? I think I have searched the web thoroughly.
I have also been in contact with Barrie Schwortz. He has been great.
Thank you for your time.
Picture: Peter Paul Rubens, Flagellation of Christ, Antwerp, Church of St. Paul. ca. A.D. 1616. Source: Wikimedia (Wikipedia), hot linked with permissions.
The video and Facebook entries previously referred to in this posting have been removed from the Internet. Those things happen.
There is no point in providing links that won’t work so they have been removed.
The topic is important and so are your comments, which remain with this posting. Discussions may continue.
Here is a posting that provides some information on the topic: Will the Alfred Rosenberg Diaries Tell Us Anything?
Piatt is really talking about a twitter-type nut job (or a self-proclaimed messiah), not someone who perhaps thinks the shroud is genuine. At least that is how I read him in a recent posting in his blog on the Progressive Christian Channel at Patheos.
No, I don’t mean he speaks to me while I’m in the throes of prayer or comes to me in my dreams. He actually talks to me through twitter. A lot. And he’s pretty weird.
Yesterday he told me that the Shroud of Turin was his photograph. I’m starting to think this Jesus is a little bit…off.
We have no shortage of messiahs among us, it seems. From David Koresh types who steer their cult followers toward an untimely death to self-proclaimed Twitter messiahs, there are always plenty of folks claiming to be the embodiment of the Christian second coming.
I wonder if Jesus had any idea what a great setup for nut jobs he was leaving behind when he said he’d come back some day.
Who is Christian Piatt? We have encountered him three times in this blog already:
We’ve covered much of this in:
and there is more by searching the blog for BARI
Polytechnic of Bari – Thirty scientific work to unravel the mystery of the Holy Shroud. IEEE international event . In Bari, on 4 and 5 September, scientists from around the world
Research on the Shroud of Turin
For the first time, a scientific organization of international first class as the IEEE – Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineering (present in 150 countries around the world, headquartered in New York), which includes in itself the best academics and Researchers around the world in the field of electrical engineering and electronics, has included themes of its conferences the study and research on a subject so well known and debated as the Shroud of Turin.
Workshopal Poliba research on the Shroud of Turin
On 4 and 5 September, in Bari, at the Conference Centre of the Students of the University "Aldo Moro" of Bari (former Post Office building), in two rooms set up properly, there will be a special workshop with the participation of specialists from around the world to present new studies and research. The event, titled "Advances in the Turin Shroud Investigation 2014" (developments in the investigation of the Shroud) and briefly indicated by the acronym ATSI 2014 should be talked much about it, according to the expectations of researchers and scholars from all over the world.
The merit of the initiative of prof. Dario Petri, President of the Italian Section of the IEEE, which was followed by the accession of prof. Francis Lattarulo, Shroud, as well as afferent at the Polytechnic of Bari, general coordinator together with prof. Bruno Barberis, University of Turin, Director of the International Centre Sindonology of Turin. Unpublished will also be involved in this workshop of the IEEE for contributions treated with equal severity of the preliminary assessment, resulting from the humanities.
Meanwhile, to date, are received from all over the world 30 scientific works of researchers from different countries such as Spain, France, Hungary, Belarus, Algeria, Israel, India, USA and, of course, Italy. Narrow interest of the IEEE (the relevant papers accepted will be recorded electronically archive the technical-scientific and published in the Proceedings of the IEEE Workshop) those on: mechanisms of image formation and processing of the same, chemical and physical degradation of tissues exposed to Special aggressive, telluric phenomena of interest, electrostatic and electromagnetic experiments. To these must be added those of forensic medicine, archeology, palynology, history, philosophy / theology, iconography (such works can not be properly recorded in the archive of the IEEE technical-scientific but they will be published in the proceedings of the workshop).
Details curious and interesting: even if the workshop is included among the topics (topics) to be treated is also relevant to dating (eg. Radiocarbon one), nothing has come to now work in this direction. Perhaps this is due to the need to revise the experimental procedure, which would require the extraction of new samples granting of ecclesiastical authorities.
To the question rhetorical "because in Bari?", With reference to the workshop, Professor. Francis Lattarulo so responds, "the pioneering initiative of organizing an IEEE workshop on the subject of scientific studies on the Shroud of Turin was Dario Petri as a representative of the IEEE Italy Section. He, after having duly consulted, invited me to take on the role of General Chair of the workshop and to place it accordingly in Bari for logistical reasons, as this is my city of birth and life. He referred to me because I was and am the only Italian who responded to the dual condition of being engaged in the Shroud and to be presented with the highest possible qualification (in my case, academic) in the field of scientific and technical interest of their own ‘ IEEE, namely in the field of electrical engineering and electronics. There are none others in Italy, that I know of. "
The international event that advances the science of the Shroud Exposition in 2015, from 19 April to 24 June, is organized in close collaboration between the two highest academic forums constituted by the Polytechnic of Bari and University of Bari "Aldo Moro". "We are very pleased that the Politecnico its one of the organizers of this conference – said the Rector, Eugenio Di Sciascio. It ‘important – more – that science and faith can speak to each other without prejudice. The organization of the event, under the auspices of the IEEE, the oldest and most prestigious companies of Electrical and Electronic Engineers of the world, hope is the rigor with which the themes of the conference will be dealt with. " "This finding of which the first information about 1353 – added the Rector of the University of Bari, Antonio Uricchio – has never ceased to be studied and worshiped. Its history is dotted with many questions and few answers. With the certainty that the best tool for growth and meeting between thoughts is the debate, the University of Bari and Politecnico di Bari, they wanted to offer this means of comparison and information. The man reveals himself to himself – he concludes – free from the need of thought and habit, open to critical reflection and self-criticism and the intrinsic intelligibility of the world in which he lives. "
As you recall the Shroud of Turin is the most important object of worship of Christianity. The picture that emerges from the linen shroud according to the ancient tradition of the Christian faith is Jesus of Nazareth.
So far, some elements seem to be clear: the scientific results have let say with certainty that the image was produced through a natural process that involved the body of a human being. Well documented, as belonging to the rare blood group AB, are the traces of blood on the cloth.
A fact remains unsolved: although the Church has never claimed its authenticity, rather than reserving the attribute of the object of worship of relics, nobody has ever been able to play or to explain an alleged infringement of the Shroud.
But can it hope to tell us much more, even with more up-to-date technology, if restricted to non-destructive sampling, or those pussy-footing "sticky tape" samples? . . . There is a solution to this, but it requires grasping a nettle.
It’s time for a quid pro quo, or returning of a favour. Interest in the TS has been greatly increased by the application of modern science and photography since 1898, and while the radiocarbon dating has failed to support authenticity, the response of the 3 labs to the onslaught of criticism and abuse has been dignified (and I expect will remain so). I believe the time has come for the Shroud’s custodians to do the decent thing, and make a gift to science. I’m sure they know what I mean, without me having to spell it out. OK, so it’s 50% of the total but it’s the less attractive 50%. Once definitive answers have been obtained, leaving most curiosity sated, what remains of that less than 50% could be displayed far from Turin, far from the prime 50%, say in an Italian science museum. There would then be twin centres for the TS – one restricted to occasional displays only, the other for permanent display. How about the Museo Galileo, in Florence?
While doing research for a possible book on the history of the Shroud I’ve learned a few things about searching for Shroud related papers on the web.
Academia.edu: This seems to be the archive with the largest number of papers about the Shroud. Anyone may add papers for immediate public access and some of the best papers are to be found here along with some awful ones. Authors can organize their papers into folders. Users can track additions. Academia.edu supports Google Scholar. For Advanced Google searching, I suggest:
- for site or domain: “academia.edu”
- for file type: DO NOT specify anything
- for none of these words: “documents in”
Consequently 1) all of these words, 2) this exact word or phrase, 3) any of these words work to return a list of PDF files that can be read online or downloaded.
Shroud.com: This seems to be the second largest archive of papers on the Shroud. Papers are selected and organized into lists by a webmaster. Inexplicably and unfortunately this site has decided to block search engines from its PDF files. Therefore Google Scholar ignores the site and papers suffer diminished credibility. You can only search titles, which is wholly inadequate. Even though results are disappointing, I suggest using:
- for site or domain: “shroud.com”
- for file type: “Adobe PDF”
Just remember, if a word or phrase is not in the title you won’t find the paper with Google or any major search engine. This applies to conference papers and BSTS articles, as well. There is a partial work around provided by shroud.com. The title page at shroud.com includes a search box for an elementary site level search engine. Alternatively, you can paste the following into your browser and replace the word “example” with a search word or phrase:
All other sites: There are many papers out there. For Advanced Google, I suggest:
- for site or domain: (Optional or blank)
- for file type: Adobe PDF
Then 1) all of these words, 2) this exact word or phrase, 3) any of these words all work to return a list of PDF files that can be read online or downloaded.
I delayed posting the above email until I could confirm this information with Google. I was surprised to learn that Google and other search engines do not search through PDF files on shroud.com. Google provided this link as an explanation:
User-agent: * Disallow: /pdfs/ Disallow: *.pdf Disallow: /images/
This is regrettable because shroud.com holds many of the most important papers on the shroud. They should be indexed by all major search engines.
You must see, read and appreciate Emanuela Marinelli’s Valencia 2012 PowerPoint presentation, The setting for the radiocarbon dating of the Shroud, now easily found on the Valencia page at shroud.com. Writes, Joe Marino:
Another item Barrie added to the Valencia page that I think warrants a separate posting (instead of me just commenting on the previous post) is Emanuela’s Power Point slides to her excellent C-14 paper. . . .
Let’s be clear:
- Jewish Shrouds and Funerary Customs: a Comparison with the Shroud of Turin by Ada Grossi (Italy)
- Othon de La Roche, Geoffroi I de Charny and the “Missing Years” of the Holy Shroud by Alessandro Piana (Italy)
Subsequently, following some discussion at SSG, Barrie Schwortz updated the shroud.com page for the 1st International Congress on the Holy Shroud in Spain – Valencia. You will find this updated section:
Included in the Proceedings but not presented at the conference
- Resolución de Objeciones (Sólo en Español) by Andrés Brito (Canary Islands)
- Analysis of micro-particles vacuumed from the Turin Shroud (English & Spanish) by G. Fanti, I. Calliari, C. Canovaro (Italy)
- Jewish Shrouds and Funerary Customs: a Comparison with the Shroud of Turin (English Only) by Ada Grossi (Italy) [Via Academia.edu]
- The question of pollen grains on the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo – (En Español) by Emanuela Marinelli (Italy)
- Othon de La Roche, Geoffroi I de Charny and the “Missing Years” of the Holy Shroud (English Only) by Alessandro Piana (Italy) [Via Academia.edu]
- Las lesiones punzantes en el cuero cabelludo (Sólo en Español) by Alfonso Sánchez Hermosilla and Antonio Gómez Gómez (Spain)
- Observations regarding the blood stains and body image on the Turin Shroud – (En Español) by Dr. Andrew Silverman (England)
An interesting article, Russell Kirk: Conservative, Convert, Catholic, appears in The Catholic World Report. Kirk, a convert to Catholicism, like another prominent Catholic political conservative, William F. Buckley, was fascinated with the shroud and thought that it might be real.
The teachings of Jesus, Kirk thought, had always been well beyond anything the pagans had imagined, but the resurrection of the body proved his divinity and, therefore, sanctified and blessed all of his teachings. In the early 1960s, Kirk grew intensely interested in the Shroud of Turin, which he saw as a key to perhaps understanding resurrection and the transference of energies.
Kirk is shown here (left) with William F. Buckley (right).
Rick Lanser in Some Ruminations on the Shroud of Turin writes:
Because the Shroud of Turin has received much public attention in the news, on television and on the Internet, it needs little introduction. However, there has not been much truly recent news about the Shroud in the popular media, so I thought it was time to see if anything had slipped under my radar
[ . . . ]
The point is, when the media next publicizes a report that makes the Shroud of Turin out to be a fake for some new reason, wait for the other shoe to drop. You might have to hunt for that shoe, though. Don’t expect the secular media to lead you to it.
Changing Gears: Rick then goes on . . .
Changing gears, I now want to make some observations on how the Scriptures discuss the death and burial of Christ, and compare them to the Turin Shroud. Arnold E. Lemke must be credited for the following summary from his excellent paper, “The Shroud of Turin—‘Is it, or Isn’t it’ (the burial cloth of Christ?),” presented at the St. Croix Pastor, Teacher, Delegate Conference on June 13, 2000. I am dividing his list into two sections, the first discussing the injuries inflicted on the Savior, and the second the burial preparations. First, the injuries:
Paul Maier is retired professor of ancient history at Western Michigan University. He also attended Concordia Seminary in St. Louis. I’m not sure when the talk was actually given, but it was put on Youtube on 5/11/13.
Maier is very entertaining. He once wrote an historical novel in which the Shroud was mentioned as having been proven a fake. I started corresponding with him and he used to receive my print newsletter and also my email bulletins.
Since he was discussing archaeological evidence for the existence of Jesus, I thought he might mention the Shroud or I thought someone would bring it up in the Q & A. Neither happened. Granted, the Shroud isn’t "new," but I would have thought it was worth a mention.
He did mention several interesting things not directly related to the Shroud. Regarding the date of the crucifixion, he mentions 2 things. He said that Josephus wrote that James the Just was murdered 29 years after Jesus’ death. Everyone gives the date of James’ death as 62, so that would put the crucifixion in AD 33. He also said that a Greek writer named Phlegon recounted a darkness at noon and an earthquake in Nicea in the 4th month of the 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad, which Maier says matches to April, 33 AD.
He also said that the Jordan River Excavations show that the Strata from 33 AD indicates there was an earthquake disruption. I’m not sure how you get a Strata for a specific year.
The whole thing is about 1 1/2 hours but it’s very informative and very entertaining.
I didn’t mean to upset some of you so much
But the word ‘insignificant’ doesn’t work either. Colin thinks he is right on this. I don’t think he is; let me be clear about that. But I do think he is right to raise the question of why STURP didn’t investigate (or didn’t investigate more) the negativity of the image. He legitimately thinks they should have. The real questions when we get past the emotion caused by a bad word choice on my part are these:
- Is the fact that the image is a negative a clue into how the image was formed?
- Should this fact have been considered by STURP?
- Colin has chimed in some more over on his blog (CLICK HERE and scroll down to the picture of an old battle tank parked in front of the post office in Friar’s Point, Mississippi).
Right or wrong, this is nonetheless legitimate thinking. So if you can get past the emotions I caused . . .
In fact the blind spot is not just confined to STURP. It continues to this day. Think of how many times one reads of this or that theory of image formation (Maillard reaction, flashes of radiation, uv excimer laser beams, radioactive xenon, earthquakes, corona discharges). When did you ever hear “sweat imprint” being mentioned, despite imaging-by-sweat being a fixation/obsession with medieval and later pilgrims (see the St. Francis de Sales letter to his mother written as late as 1648). Even the common French description of the Shroud as the "Suaire" ("face cloth") instead of a "linceul", an oddity picked up by French Canadian Mario Latendresse, provider of the stupendous Shroud Scope, on his site under the intriguing’ Machy mould’ gives a strong clue as the way the Shroud was initially perceived as a bodily imprint left by bodily secretions.
July was the second best month ever for this blog. We had 57,910 unique visitors (essentially different people) to the site during the month racking up 116,066 page views. I have, over the life of the blog, made more than 3000 postings and there have been a few guest postings. You have made 30,309 comments. (Many times that number of comments have been discarded as attempted spam. I spend time every day trashing attempts to sneak in.)
808 people have opted in to be notified by email when something is posted or commented upon. Who-knows how many more are notified through RSS feeds, blog watcher apps, twitter, facebook, etc.
Here are the postings with the most comments ever:
- Discussion about the Pray Codex and its relation to the Shroud is over? (551 Comments)
- Concerning the absence of an image of the top of the head on the Shroud of Turin and the possible presence of blood in this area (276 Comments)
- Blood Clotting and the Strange Case of Brother Hirudo (263 Comments)
- Cat Among the Pigeons (229 Comments)
- A Guest Posting by Yannick Clément: Two Quotes About the Blood (225 Comments)
- Guest Posting: Challenging Frederick Zugibe on Washing of the Body (218 Comments)
- An Important and Highly Informative Guest Posting by Paul Maloney (191 Comments)
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But those are just indications. The true measure is intellectual clarity and truly open discussions.
If the story is being translated correctly, organizers are looking for about three times as many.