it takes a certain type of person to even read this posting
You may or may not want to read the shaggy dog posting, The Alien "Shroud of Turin" in the UFO Museum Collections, Portland , Oregon.
Even though I am a ufologist this is not an object that I know a lot about. For all I know it may be a fake? But by the looks of it. . . . Accidents like this cannot be fakes. At least they usually are not fakes. The Elvis tortilla probably was a fake . . . etched by some one with a wood burner tool? This piece is nothing like that.
I asked Google to find a similar image. So, for fans of such things, the Google algorithms found proof that aliens were here in 6000 B.C. (when people rode dinosaurs, right?)
Look carefully: there are aliens, flying saucers and poker holes in an L shape. (Not to worry: I still disagree with Colin Berry et al and think the third drawing in the Hungarian Pray Manuscript is based on the shroud).
Louis wrote in a comment in the posting, Bari Conference: A scientific event unprecedented in Puglia:
. . . Professor Giulio Fanti told me that the corona discharge was possibly connected to ball lightning.
This interview-article was posted on the Holy Shroud Guild website but at my request my folder was deleted, for reasons that will soon be made known by me. I am sending it to Dan in pdf format, who can upload it if he wishes to do so. I can understand the pressure he faces. Welcome to the world of Shroud studies!
Here we go: Science and religion meet in Shroud research by Louis C. de Figueiredo.
At my prompting, David Roemer sends his permission to publish his paper, Science, Metaphysics, Philosophy, Theology, History, and the Holy Shroud.
He writes in a comment:
I can’t say because no one is willing to discuss my slideshow/lecture (http://www.holyshroud.info) and the supportive papers I submitted to the St. Louis and Bari conferences. I have no way of knowing what the shortcomings are of my presentation. I got only one invitation to give my lecture. I arrived at the parish in Manhattan with my slides and the pastor told me he decided to cancel my presentation because I was not promoting the authenticity of the Holy Shroud. I complained to the Vicar General, who told me that it was a matter than concerned only me and the pastor. I said there was no way the pastor and me could resolve our disagreement and asked to give a presentation to the pastor with other knowledgeable Catholics to discuss the disagreement. Cardinal Dolan told me I was “debunking” the Shroud, and I filed charges against him with the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. So far no attempt has been made to resolve the conflict between me and Cardinal Dolan.
Anyone willing? Actually, David, is anything new here? Haven’t we discussed this before? The only thing that seems different is that two conferences rejected your paper since you discussed your ideas and got angry because someone would not let you present in their venue. Are you sure that you understand the reasons your paper was rejected?
As I read your past comments, I see repeatedly that you depend heavily on the notion that “images are always created by humans.” What about nature, such as with carbon fossils (fish above is an example) and Volckringer patterns. And can we scientifically rule out God creating images.
I saw your blog on the shroud and wondered if you have any info on how to obtain appointment times for viewing next april-may, 2015, without being associated with a tour group? we will be in italy already on our own and do not need a 10-day tour. thanks for any help you can provide.
The official site where reservations can be made in the future reads (with Google Translation):
At the moment it is not possible to book any pilgrimage to the exposition of 2015. Reservations will be carried out, however, from this site, www.sindone.org . All information will be soon available on the net.
Don’t even think of using the English language pages. They have not been updated since 2010.
Ilikepuglia reports: Shroud of Turin, Bari researchers and scholars from around the world: [is
The an] international scientific event [is] unprecedented in Puglia. Well, you get the idea. That was a work-over of a Goggle translation. The following paragraphs are raw translation:
The event, titled "Advances in the Turin Shroud Investigation 2014" (developments in the investigation Shroud) and briefly indicated by the acronym ATSI 2014 should be talked much about it, according to the expectations of researchers and studies dare around the world.
For the first time, in fact, a scientific organization of international first class as the ‘Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineering (IEEE), present in 150 countries around the world, headquartered in New York, which includes in itself the best studios dare and researchers around the world in the field of electrical engineering and electronics, has inserted between the themes of his meetings the studies o research on a subject so well known and debated as the Shroud of Turin. The merit of the initiative should be recognized prof. Dario Petri, as President of the Italian Section of the IEEE, which was followed by the accession of prof. Francis Lattarulo, afferent sindonologist at the Politecnico di Bari, who took over the task of overall coordination and local levels.
This is unprecedented, no doubt about it and not just in Puglia.
- Seventy Cities in Twenty Years Starting in Royal Oak, Michigan
- Ave Maria Radio on the Royal Oak Shroud Exhibit
- More Publicity for Royal Oak Exhibition of the Shroud of Turin
(click on the picture for a larger view)
- Now the Chaldean News, a newspaper published by the Chaldean community in Metro Detroit has a great story about the outstanding Shroud of Turin exhibit: A Fascinating Mystery: Exhibit Explores the Shroud of Turin. (Chaldeans, according to the newspaper are indigenous people of Iraq, Eastern-rite Christians who speak Aramaic. There are over 100,000 thousand of them in this part of Michigan.
The history of the shroud can now be observed at a special exhibition at the former St. John United Methodist Church in Royal Oak until August 17. The entire church has been transformed into a 6,000-square-foot gallery.
The exhibit is guided by an audio tour that is one hour long in English, and 1 hour and 25 minutes long in Arabic. It is also available in Russian and Spanish.
“With a headset, it is just you in there,” said Jose Juan Garrigó, CEO of Immersive Planet, Inc., the company that designed the exhibition. “We are currently working on Polish and French Canadian, and are interested in making an audio recording in Aramaic.”
The entire script has already been translated into Aramaic, but the voice for it has not been found. A male Chaldean who can read Aramaic with a powerful, theatrical voice is being sought to fill the role.
dry or wet, why not? Why not if teeth or tissue or hair does?
. . . The reason for there being blood trickles down the hair is allegedly because the blood was imaged directly by a blotting paper effect prior to body imaging, so ends up out of stereoregister with body image*. As I say, smart…
If that’s the case, then why isn’t there a double blood image, one set on the cheek, as a subset of "body image" say, matching exactly the blood trails on the adjacent hair?
I repeat: if dead protein like keratin, whether fibrous or not, and even mineralized tooth enamel can leave an image, then why not the distinctive cell debris and proteins of blood? The latter should remain in stereoregister with the fabric of the Shroud, right through the imaging process, regardless of where the "real blood" relocated due to relative shifting of corpse within Shroud.
It is a good question to ask of those who think the image was formed by a dematerializing body, perhaps even those who speak of any manner of radiation or energy creating the image: Why don’t we see a double-blood signature, one as real blood, one as ‘body image’, at least when out of stereoregister?
I like the question. It sort of supports my idea that the image, which I believe is somehow related to the Resurrection – an event I believe in – was not formed by a natural chemical reaction or by any form of energy that was the byproduct of a supernatural event. I know that sounds like I’m calling the image impossible. I know. But the Resurrection is impossible. The incarnation is impossible. Creatio ex nihilo is impossible. Right?
Scientists love unsolved mysteries. But they hate whacky people like me who suggest that the answers may be mysteries “all the way down,” at least before my morning coffee.
Stephen Hawking put it this way:
A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You’re very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it’s tortoises all the way down!"
But then in The Grand Design, Hawking writes:
Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.
A spontaneous image? I like that. But what about the bloodstains? Is Colin on point with this; is it a valid objection to Jackson, et. al.? I like the question, so far. Now for coffee.