Quote for Today on Carbon Dating of the Shroud

October 18, 2014 41 comments

When it comes to the Shroud, nearly everybody wanted to carbon date the Shroud “in the worst way” and that is precisely what happened. The protocols were supposed to map the way to the truth. Instead, the truncated protocols adopted led the carbon scientists over a cliff.

imageThe quote is from John Klotz’ new book, The Coming of the Quantum Christ. Here, I’ve copy-pasted the quotation from his Quantum Christ blog, from a posting just yesterday entitled Ebola, Protocols and the Shroud of Turin.

In the worst way?  What does that mean?

Abraham Lincoln, it is said, used the expression. One story is that when he met Mary Todd, who would become his wife, he approached her and said he would like to dance with her “in the worst way.” She later recounted that he did, in fact, literally, dance in the worst way.

It’s an idiom. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines “the worst way” this way:

the worst way

:  very much <such men … need indoctrination the worst way — J. G. Cozzens> —often used with in <wanted a new bicycle in the worst way>

Did they talk that way in Lincoln’s time?  Well there is this quote from ‘ Fast Life on the Modern Highway’ by Joseph Taylor, published in 1874:

Well, sir. I wanted somebody to kiss me for my mother just then, and shake hands and say good-bye in the worst way; but I could not stop!’

The use of the idiom is modern, as well. On March 23, 2011, the Houston Chronicle headlined an article, “ Air traffic control needs updating in the worst way.

Now that you are completely distracted from what John Klotz was saying, go read his blog posting, Ebola, Protocols and the Shroud of Turin.

A Significant Article by Charles Freeman in History Today

October 17, 2014 196 comments

Charles is a regular and frequent participant in this blog. He has written, The Origins of the Shroud of Turin being published in History Today (Volume: 64 Issue: 11 2014)

imageCharles Freeman, surprised by the lack of research into one of the great unsolved mysteries, reveals for the first time his groundbreaking examination into the creation of the venerated object.

Midpoint:

When one sees the variety of depictions of the Shroud in the 16th and 17th centuries it is hard to see any other explanation for their vividness than that they were painted on the linen. . . . A study of the depictions of expositions in 1842 and 1868 suggests that serious deterioration of the images set in during the 19th century: it is symbolised by the replacement of the enormous crowds originally able to see the images from afar by the single-file observers of today’s framed Shroud within the cathedral. Each dramatised unfurling would cause the fragmentation of its painted surface, especially when one custom was for the crowds to throw rosaries at it (in the Tempesta engraving the outstretched hands of those awaiting their return can be seen).

While we are left with only the faint images of the original painting it remains an interesting question as to whether any pigments of the original paint still remain on the Shroud. The STURP team, which descended on Turin in 1978 with several tons of imaging equipment, removed a number of samples from different areas of the surface of the cloth with sticky tape, which, remarkably,  they were allowed to take back to the US for examination, without any requirement that they should be returned to Turin (they do not appear to be kept together in a single archive, hampering further research). A furious argument took place when an expert microscopist, Walter McCrone, who was given the tapes to examine, claimed that he had indeed found pigments, vermilion on the bloodstains and red ochre for the main part of the bodies. Although McCrone does not seem to have known this, vermilion is the pigment used to depict blood on other medieval painted linens, while red ochre is ubiquitous as a medieval pigment. McCrone dated the painting to the middle of the 14th century (ten years before the radiocarbon laboratories came to the same conclusion). . . .

Hat tip to Gian Marco Rinaldi

A Special Study Day: People With Different Takes on the Shroud

October 17, 2014 8 comments

imageWhat follows is a Google Translation of an announcement for a day of talks, "L’enigma della Sindone" to be held at the University of Rome on October 30, 2014.  This is being sponsored by the Chemistry Department.

Note carefully the objective of this event. Note, too, some of the names familiar to readers of this blog, like Luigi Garlaschielli, Paolo Di Lazzaro and Andrea Nicolotti, people with very different takes on the shroud.


THE ENIGMA OF THE SHROUD

Science and history are wondering about the mysterious Shroud of Turin

Study day with the Round Table is open

Thursday, October 30, 2014 – 8:30 to 18:00 hours

Parravano Hall, Department of Chemistry

Sapienza University of Rome

Objectives of the event

  • The event takes place before the new Exposition of the Shroud in 2015 and soon after the meeting of Bari and St. Louis dedicated to it: a look at the present thinking of the future steps.
  • Discuss the different aspects that the Shroud takes the observer assigned and not assigned.
  • Analytically examine how science and research have addressed the problem.
  • Evaluate the reflections cultural, religious, historical problem.

Information and reservations

  • The event is open to all with free admission.

  • Participation in the buffet and the purchase of the DVD with the recording of the event is € 25.00.

  • Reservations must be sent to the email luigi.campanella@uniroma1.it(link sends e-mail) by Saturday, October 25, 2014.

  • The conference will be video recorded.

Syllabus


08:30 to 09:00
Registration for the Workshop


09:15 to 09:30
Salutation
prof. Aldo Lagana, Director of Department of Chemistry
prof. Luigi Frati, Rector of Sapienza
prof. Giancarlo Ruocco, Pro Rector Research Sapienza


9:30 to 9:45
Introduction to the study day
prof. Luigi Campanella, Sapienza University of Rome, Chairman


09:45 to 10:15
The Shroud and the problem of "reproduction"
prof. Luigi Garlaschielli, University of Pavia


10:15 to 10:45
Characteristics of the Shroud image and attempts to play the photochemical
dr. Paolo Di Lazzaro, Enea, home to Frascati


10:45 to 11:00
Space for questions and short questions


11:00 to 11:30
Coffee-break


11:30 to 12:00
The translation of the Mandylion from Edessa to Constantinople
prof. Philip Burgarella, University of Calabria


12:00 to 12:30
Shroud history and pseudo-history: gleanings of methodology
prof. Andrea Nicolotti, University of Turin


12:30 to 12:45
Space for questions and short questions


12:45 to 13:45
Lunch break by the organization


14:00 to 17:00
Open round table with four speakers: What stimuli and what prospects towards the solution of a historic dilemma.

Moderator chairman prof. Luigi Campanella

The panel discussion will be introduced by four short presentations of the speakers at the preliminary discussion.
Applications to be submitted must be made ​​in writing before the start of the afternoon session.
Each questionante has 3 minutes to explain the reasons for his request.


17:00 to 17:30
Conclusions

It Bears Repeating

October 17, 2014 1 comment

During a break in the St. Louis Conference, a few of us were in the back of the room sipping coffee and munching what I called Neutron Chip Cookies – that was because one of those monstrous chocolate chip cookies would rejuvenate you with all of the calories you had burned in a year of exercise.  I was talking about John Klotz’ book.

She had said, “I would like to read it but I don’t own a Kindle.”

“You don’t need to,” I said. “Amazon has apps for most tablets and smartphones. And you can read Kindles books on most laptops and desktop computers. I even have John’s book on my iPhone. See!”

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That picture is real. That is my hand holding my iPhone displaying John’s book. It is not photoshopped.

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I Call Them Shrolls

October 17, 2014 1 comment

imageAnd you thought journalists were sometimes a tad bit inaccurate. This comment appeared two days ago in a Christian News Service report: Son of Tony Campolo Comes Out as Agnostic, Hired as Humanist Chaplain at California University. The story has absolutely nothing to do with the Shroud of Turin. In the comments section no one thought to  mention the shroud.  No one even thought about it. Why would they? Then . . . out of nowhere . . . I call them Shrolls:

How did NASA going to Mars with the Mariner 10 satellite in the 1973 lead to the formation of the Shroud of Turin Research Project later in 1978? This project in 1978 would attract 38 skeptical American scientists on the team of 40 (with only two Christians), who thought they’d prove it a hoax within a week’s time, but leading to all the scientists, even a Jewish man on the team, all coming to faith in Jesus after 5 days studying the Shroud of Turin.

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Speaking of Shroud Encounter

October 16, 2014 Leave a comment

imageThe Ragin’ Cajun Catholics website, a TV station and a newspaper are reporting that Russ Breault will also be doing his big presentation at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette:

SHROUD ENCOUNTER will be coming to the Catholic Student Center at Our Lady of Wisdom Church on Thursday, October 23rd at 6:30 PM.  The center is located at 501 East Mary Blvd in Lafayette.  Admission is free and the event is open to the public. A museum quality life-size replica of the Shroud of Turin will be on display. National Geographic called the Shroud "One of the most perplexing enigmas of modern times."  Shroud Encounter will cover all aspects of the history, science, art and theories of how the image may have been formed.

Follow Up on the Subject of God Existing

October 16, 2014 1 comment

A few days ago we looked at Is the Shroud Evidence for God’s Existence? (46 comments as of this morning). This lead readers of this blog to spot a couple of mainstream media articles about believing in God.

imageIn yesterday’s Huffington Post we find Mick Mooney, the author of An Outsider’s Guide to the Gospel. writing,  Why I’d Still Believe In God Even if the Bible was a Fairytale.

While I agree that believing in an ancient religious narrative is irrational (by irrational, I mean it takes faith to believe a certain narrative about God based on ancient accounts told in stories, myths, and allegories. Granted, it may turn out to be true, but nonetheless the point remains that it is not a rational conclusion one would come to purely by reason.) I disagree that belief in God is irrational (as in the Higher Power who created the universe and everything within it). If anything, it is the complete opposite. Belief in an unknown Higher Power (being agnostic) seems to me to be the only truly rational option one can choose when contemplating the universe in which we abide, but for the the religious believer and the atheist, they hold to either a faith-based belief or a faith based non-belief; both positions that are fundamentally irrational and requires faith, not rationality, to hold to their position.

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA         There is also an Opinionater column from three days ago in the New York Times in which Gary Gutting interviews himself:

The question of whether God exists is a controversial one: there have been, and still are, lots of smart, informed and sincere people on both sides. So it would seem that philosophers, committed to rational reflection on the big questions, wouldn’t be atheists (or theists) without good reasons. But it is also obvious that the standard arguments for and against God’s existence — fIrst-cause arguments, the problem of evil, etc. — have stimulated an enormous amount of debate, leading to many complications but to no consensus. . . .

A bit off topic but interesting nonetheless.

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