The mocking of Fred Zugibe is particularly nasty.
Sometimes I don’t get the way Facebook works – or is it that I never do. Just this morning I took a quick look at the page for The Holy Shroud Guild. The topmost recent post was dated May 5th. That was followed by one from just a few hours ago (I’ll get to that in a subsequent post), then one from later in May and then things seemed to settle down with normal posting sequences going from recent July down the page to the oldest entries.
It’s a good thing it happened because I had missed the May 5th posting by Danusha Goska. It was important. It was a link to something she wrote, Christophobia on Campus, Penn Jillette and Joseph Goebbels, and Shroud of Turin Talk Update, in her Save, Send Delete blog. She wrote (and you should read the whole posting):
Jillette and Teller’s performance was hateful. It was comparable to the kind of material that Joseph Goebbels used to produce. Goebbels also took distinctively religious icons – in his case Jewish ones – and associated them with derision in order to facilitate violence and hate.
I’ve often heard New Atheists complain that they have a bad reputation. They wonder why.
It was a good thing, too, to read what Danusha wrote because four days ago a reader had written to me about the video. It was making the rounds on New Atheist blogs and such. He sent a link to a mid-July entry in The Thinking Atheist. Had I seen it? No! It was two and a half years old. So what, the reader said, it is out there and getting attention; you should show it. No, I won’t, I thought. Why advertise it?
Having read, Danusha’s posting, yes, I will. The readers of this blog are intelligent. I’m not promoting it since it is written by bigots for idiots and there are no idiots here. Maybe the comparison to Goebbels is a bit strong. Even so, Danusha makes an important point. The mocking of Fred Zugibe is particularly nasty.
A find by Joe Marino. You may want to watch the first 3 minutes of this new video. It is up to you if you want to watch any more of it as the creator of the video argues that the man of the shroud has horns, which we all know is a water stain. He goes on and on and on the explain the ramifications of this and compare the shroud picture to the history of Satanic worship.
The creator of this video writes on YouTube:
Please watch the entire video before you jump to conclusions or ask questions. I hope you enjoy.
A Truthiracy Film Production – Educational Research
Truthiracy House of Wisdom
All material is the opinion of Christopher Lord of Truthiracy Films (for legal reasons)
I have not seen this video before: Thomas de Wesselow discussing his theory that the Shroud of Turin provides an explanation as to why the first Christians came to believe in the Resurrection. It is an IdeaCity series page at Hulu.com. The video was made on June 18, 2012 and just published yesterday at DailyMotion. It runs 22 minutes.
Barrie Schwortz writes on the STERA Facebook page:
Last week I participated in the filming of a new documentary that is taking a completely novel (and refreshing) approach to presenting information about the Shroud of Turin. Rather than the usual talking heads in white lab coats that argue for or against authenticity, this program follows the research of Parker Dow (hidden behind the camera in the photo), a high school student from St. Louis who is actually researching and writing his senior thesis on the Shroud. In fact, it was Parker himself who interviewed me and not an off camera producer as is typical in such programs. The as yet unnamed program is designed to appeal to a younger audience and is slated for release in 2015. . . .
Here is a link to Salt River Production Group.
The image shown is an inline link to the image on the STERA Facebook page where it resides and the credit reads: “Photo courtesy Chuck Neff, Salt River Production Group (one of the co-sponsors of the upcoming St. Louis Shroud Conference).”
Hat tip to Joe Marino
I don’t think I’ve seen this one before. I assume it is new. Maybe, maybe not. Are we ever going to get away from these old clips about flower images and coins on the eyes?
Hat tip to Joe Marino, who is better than me at finding videos.
Having been just uploaded within the past week, this is part of a YouTube channel call Mad World Series. This particular video is called Biblical history proven – part 2 – Shroud of Turin. The video runs for about 52 minutes. Nice editing but a lot of outdated and highly disputable material like blaming the the carbon dating on a bio-plastic coating, like skeletal features, etc.
The uploader writes in the About page for the video.
With this new series, i am trying to show you:
- That there is evidence that could support, that the Bible is telling us the truth.
- Seeing is believing for some people, so to help you people out, i will share some videos i have collected over the years, that helped me.
HOPE IT WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU THERE IS HOPE – JOHN 3:16
FAIR USE NOTICE: This video may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes only. This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law.
Okay, but what truth is that?
Russ Breault now appears in part 2 of his interview with Prophecy in the News. (You can find part 1 HERE if you missed it).
Joe Marino writes: “Just found these on YouTube and don’t think I’ve seen previously. Each part about 60 minutes.”
New to me, too. Great find!
In case you need them, here are the URLs:
Hat tip to Joe Marino for this one.
You might want to watch all nine minutes. It is a lot of Joe Nickell-ism-like ranting concluding with it would have been strips of cloth not a single cloth. And then his summary. You could skip to about 6:50 and save yourself from much of the hypnotic effect of the blue sunglasses (transcribed before a second cup of morning coffee)
. . . Such an image on the shroud could not possibly have been missed by any witnesses. It would be fresh, bright and clear as it would ever be. It is absolutely ludicrous to believe that the image of Jesus, burned into his burial shroud, something which would have been seen as nothing short of miraculous, the holy grail of tangible, physical evidence, which would prove the physical resurrection of the son of God, the very basis of Christianity itself, would not even get a mention in the Gospels.
[ . . . ]
Peace and love, everybody. That’s where it’s at.
Prophecy in the News announced yesterday that it is offering The Shroud of Turin Prophecy Package by Russ Breault in its online store for $49.95. Here is the description as it appears on the site:
The Shroud of Turin Prophecy Package
by Russ Breault
This special package includes 7 items.
1. DVD# 1—What If? by Russ Breault
DVD839 | $19.95 | 45 minutes
2. DVD# 2—CSI: Jerusalem by Russ Breault
DVD840 | $19.95 | 1 hour 45 minutes
3. DVD# 3—The Shroud of Turin: Reinforcing the Resurrection
A LIVE presentation from the Orlando Prophecy Summit. | 58 minutes
4. DVD# 4—Reinforcing the Resurrection: Prophetic Implications of the Shroud of Turin
A LIVE presentation from the Orlando Prophecy Summit. | 41 minutes
5. A reproduced image of the Shroud of Turin suitable for framing
6. A visual breakdown/chart of the Shroud of Turin image
7. An up-to-date, 4-page report on the Shroud of Turin
Product ID# PK3416
4 DVDs, 2 pictures, 1 four-page report
“One thing remains clear. This holy relic is still shrouded in mystery.”
And speaking of Secondo Pia, this YouTube from the Travel Channel was just uploaded to YouTube yesterday. When I went to view it I was viewer #2. It is less than three minutes long, well done and fair.
Russ Breault writes:
Here is a link to the first of two half-hour interview shows for Prophecy in the News. The show can be seen on The Church Channel or on their website. They posted this Youtube version today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k050nQUtMZQ
It was published yesterday. It runs for 28 minutes. Enjoy.
Marty McKee from Virginia, perhaps because he was looking for something to do, had decided yesterday to write a review of the 1979 so-called documentary, In Search of the Historic Jesus. You can actually buy an old VHS tape while they last for $3.95. (Does old VHS tape dry out and crumble?) You can download the movie for more than that, if you don’t have a VHS player. Or you can skip the whole experience. Marty seems to think you should.
Based in Park City, Utah, Sunn Classics produced and distributed big hits, such as THE LINCOLN CONSPIRACY (which posited that, among other things, John Wilkes Booth’s death was faked by anti-Reconstruction government forces) and IN SEARCH OF NOAH’S ARK. Certainly it was that movie’s success and the then-trendy Shroud of Turin controversy that spurred the production of 1980’s IN SEARCH OF HISTORIC JESUS, a corny, cheap-looking laugh riot that nonetheless earned big box office.
John Rubinstein (CRAZY LIKE A FOX) portrays Jesus wearing a comically fake beard, who looks to a cloudy blue sky to receive marching orders from God (voiced by Peter Mark Richman!). He wanders about, placing his hands on the faces of lepers (wearing atrocious makeup), which makes their faces glow with cartoon animation. He calls for the resurrected Lazarus, who emerges from a cave looking fresh as the morning dew. He walks on water and makes storms go away just by placing his palms together. After his crucifixion, he appears to his disciples in an animated starburst like a sitcom genie.
Brad Crandall, whose deep voice is instantly recognizable as the narrator of the studio’s trailers and films, hosts this “documentary” with pomposity, dressed alternately in a three-piece suit or V-neck sweater and showing off impressions of the Shroud of Turin in his wood-paneled library. His “evidence” consists of passing off gospel and random musings as fact. One “expert” claims Jesus’ corpse released a burst of radiation to scorch the Shroud. . . .
Here is a too long one minute trailer:
Here is another one I taped for Monday’s online update for Prophecy in the News:
These were both taped for their website and Youtube channel. Coming up in a couple weeks will be two 27 minute shows that will air primarily on the Church Channel. They will also be on their website and Youtube channel.
I will be speaking again at their conference in Colorado Springs planned for July 25-27. I will be delivering two talks: "Unholy Obsession–Hitler’s Quest to Steal the Shroud" and the second talk is called "The Shroud of Turin—God is in the Details". This presentation will cover many of the very nuanced details regarding the blood, physiology, image, art history, and historical clues that all suggest a medieval origin is untenable.
This YouTube was uploaded to YouTube just five days ago. I don’t know when is was filmed.
The comments, a couple of which are shown below, are a bit different than what we see in this blog. PITN, by the way, stands for Prophesy in the News. HERE is their website (I’m not a fan).
Elihu Wygant wrote:
This video and it’s content have, to me, destroyed all credibility of PITN. Let me make sure I’m getting this right: you’re saying that the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ?! . . . Please don’t tell me you’re taken in by this obvious hoax of the RCC….
Evangelist Roger Griffith wrote
Jesus Christ paid the price in full. Hallelujah to God”””” Amen, Acts 20:28, God did purchase the church with his own blood.”’
How wonderful if everyone who used to be sceptical of the validity of the Shroud would take another look at the amazing scientific facts revealed through the eyes of modern equipment.
Interesting that Discovery News is featuring this video, Shroud of Turin Goes Digital, in a sidebar to a featured story about John Paul II and John XXIII being declared saint
Ray Schneider: Why is the carbon dating wrong? I don’t know. That it is wrong I am quite certain . . .
Ray is up with a recommendation on his blog, Political Brambles:
With Easter soon to come it’s appropriate to think about the Shroud of Turin and this video is hard to beat since it touches upon so many of the issues. . . .
. . . This video demonstrates the correspondence between the sudarium of Oviedo and the shroud which, in my mind at least, proves that the 1988 carbon date is wrong. Why is it wrong? I don’t know. That it is wrong I am quite certain for the shroud duplicates blood stains that are on the sudarium of Oviedo which is much older than the shroud and so both cloths were in contact with the same body.
It is a good video, produced and directed by Reuben Aaronson for The Learning Channel. It runs for about 52 minutes.
There is a brand new DVD out. It is called The Secrets of the Shroud, featuring Dr. Wayne Phillips, the leading expert on the Shroud of Turin. It includes five wonderful programs from the Women of Grace show. There are stunning slides and images of the Shroud and all the current scientific research. The cost is $25.00. Order it at http://shop.womenofgrace.com/product/1821/
Here are the shows that appeared on EWTN on the Women of Grace program:
- DVD – 1
- 10350 – Revelation of the Road: The Shroud’s Journey
- 10351 – The Shroud of Turin Research Project
- 10352 – Carbon Dating and Image Formation: Science and the Shroud
- DVD – 2
- 10353 – New Discoveries, New Theories: Science and the Shroud
- 10354 – Dynamic Duo: The Sudarium and the Shroud
I linked to these shows in September 2012: EWTN Series on the Shroud of Turin. Apparently, the first of the five programs is still available for viewing on EWTN: Revelation of the Road: The Shroud’s Journey (Program 10350) with Dr Phillips and Father Edmund Sylvia. You might want to view this first before shelling out $25.00.
Also, I found a recent Jesuit high school lecture in five parts featuring Dr. Wayne Phillips. It was uploaded to YouTube just a week ago. According to information at YouTube, J. Wayne Phillips ‘is an expert Shroud of Turin and has a degree in Shroud Studies from the Vatican Apostolorum College. He also has a medical degree from the University of Miami.
unless you are filmmaker and video journalist Dan Bell who tells us (two days) ago on his Facebook page: “I found a Shroud of Turin science museum inside a dead mall. It was a bizarre day indeed.” He is referring to the Shroud Exhibit and Museum in the White Sands Mall in Alamogordo, NM. Here is a YouTube video of his visit to the Museum. It is entitled “Bizarre Shroud of Turin Museum Inside Dead Mall.” It is about 3 minutes long. Enjoy.
However . . .
for a different perspective, see Trip Advisor, wherein one visitor to the museum wrote, “THIS IS A MUST AND SHOULD BE ON YOUR BUCKET LIST!”
Hat tips to several people including Kelly, Paulette and an old, friend, Fr. Howard for this link to the YouTube featuring Barrie. The radio interview (audio only) with Barrie starts at the 1:16:00 so you may want to set the slider to that point. And no, the picture of the paratroopers firing at who-knows-what has nothing to do with the interview:
Here is a short summary from “Malc” on a site called The One Truth, a site also linking to the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoaxxNf7qdA#t=4619)
In the latter half, researcher and photographer Barrie Schwortz talked about the Shroud of Turin, said to be the burial cloth of Jesus, and reacted to new research that connects the Shroud’s creation to an ancient earthquake around 32 AD. According to the latest researchers’ theory, the powerful quake could have released neutron emissions that might have interacted with the fibers of the linen burial cloth, inducing the chemical reaction that created the unique facial image. Their research is problematic in several ways, including an overestimation of the magnitude strength of quakes in the Dead Sea, he noted. Further, the radiation hypothesis (which has previously been proposed to explain the Shroud numerous times) was explored by (the late) Raymond Rogers, a scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, and he did not find evidence for it in his testing of samples.
While scientific tests have shown that the Shroud is neither a painting or a photograph, it still remains a mystery even after all the chemistry, physics, and spectrometry that have been applied, Schwortz remarked, adding that perhaps as technology continues to advance, new methods of testing may yield answers. He also shared details about his personal experiences studying and photographing the Shroud, and how his faith and religious views were affected by it.
The owner reclassified the video for private use only.
Joe Marino passes this along. Call it homemade reality TV. Watch as a man tells his son that the Shroud has been studied for “30 or 40 years.” Skip the bit about Starbucks and play the segment about the shroud beginning just shy of the three minute mark (2:59).