A find by Joe Marino. You may want to watch the first 3 minutes of this new video. It is up to you if you want to watch any more of it as the creator of the video argues that the man of the shroud has horns, which we all know is a water stain. He goes on and on and on the explain the ramifications of this and compare the shroud picture to the history of Satanic worship.
The creator of this video writes on YouTube:
Please watch the entire video before you jump to conclusions or ask questions. I hope you enjoy.
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it takes a certain type of person to even read this posting
You may or may not want to read the shaggy dog posting, The Alien "Shroud of Turin" in the UFO Museum Collections, Portland , Oregon.
Even though I am a ufologist this is not an object that I know a lot about. For all I know it may be a fake? But by the looks of it. . . . Accidents like this cannot be fakes. At least they usually are not fakes. The Elvis tortilla probably was a fake . . . etched by some one with a wood burner tool? This piece is nothing like that.
I asked Google to find a similar image. So, for fans of such things, the Google algorithms found proof that aliens were here in 6000 B.C. (when people rode dinosaurs, right?)
Look carefully: there are aliens, flying saucers and poker holes in an L shape. (Not to worry: I still disagree with Colin Berry et al and think the third drawing in the Hungarian Pray Manuscript is based on the shroud).
Louis wrote in a comment in the posting, Bari Conference: A scientific event unprecedented in Puglia:
. . . Professor Giulio Fanti told me that the corona discharge was possibly connected to ball lightning.
This interview-article was posted on the Holy Shroud Guild website but at my request my folder was deleted, for reasons that will soon be made known by me. I am sending it to Dan in pdf format, who can upload it if he wishes to do so. I can understand the pressure he faces. Welcome to the world of Shroud studies!
Here we go: Science and religion meet in Shroud research by Louis C. de Figueiredo.
At my prompting, David Roemer sends his permission to publish his paper, Science, Metaphysics, Philosophy, Theology, History, and the Holy Shroud.
He writes in a comment:
I can’t say because no one is willing to discuss my slideshow/lecture (http://www.holyshroud.info) and the supportive papers I submitted to the St. Louis and Bari conferences. I have no way of knowing what the shortcomings are of my presentation. I got only one invitation to give my lecture. I arrived at the parish in Manhattan with my slides and the pastor told me he decided to cancel my presentation because I was not promoting the authenticity of the Holy Shroud. I complained to the Vicar General, who told me that it was a matter than concerned only me and the pastor. I said there was no way the pastor and me could resolve our disagreement and asked to give a presentation to the pastor with other knowledgeable Catholics to discuss the disagreement. Cardinal Dolan told me I was “debunking” the Shroud, and I filed charges against him with the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. So far no attempt has been made to resolve the conflict between me and Cardinal Dolan.
Anyone willing? Actually, David, is anything new here? Haven’t we discussed this before? The only thing that seems different is that two conferences rejected your paper since you discussed your ideas and got angry because someone would not let you present in their venue. Are you sure that you understand the reasons your paper was rejected?
As I read your past comments, I see repeatedly that you depend heavily on the notion that “images are always created by humans.” What about nature, such as with carbon fossils (fish above is an example) and Volckringer patterns. And can we scientifically rule out God creating images.
I saw your blog on the shroud and wondered if you have any info on how to obtain appointment times for viewing next april-may, 2015, without being associated with a tour group? we will be in italy already on our own and do not need a 10-day tour. thanks for any help you can provide.
The official site where reservations can be made in the future reads (with Google Translation):
At the moment it is not possible to book any pilgrimage to the exposition of 2015. Reservations will be carried out, however, from this site, www.sindone.org . All information will be soon available on the net.
Don’t even think of using the English language pages. They have not been updated since 2010.
Ilikepuglia reports: Shroud of Turin, Bari researchers and scholars from around the world: [is
The an] international scientific event [is] unprecedented in Puglia. Well, you get the idea. That was a work-over of a Goggle translation. The following paragraphs are raw translation:
The event, titled "Advances in the Turin Shroud Investigation 2014" (developments in the investigation Shroud) and briefly indicated by the acronym ATSI 2014 should be talked much about it, according to the expectations of researchers and studies dare around the world.
For the first time, in fact, a scientific organization of international first class as the ‘Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineering (IEEE), present in 150 countries around the world, headquartered in New York, which includes in itself the best studios dare and researchers around the world in the field of electrical engineering and electronics, has inserted between the themes of his meetings the studies o research on a subject so well known and debated as the Shroud of Turin. The merit of the initiative should be recognized prof. Dario Petri, as President of the Italian Section of the IEEE, which was followed by the accession of prof. Francis Lattarulo, afferent sindonologist at the Politecnico di Bari, who took over the task of overall coordination and local levels.
This is unprecedented, no doubt about it and not just in Puglia.
- Seventy Cities in Twenty Years Starting in Royal Oak, Michigan
- Ave Maria Radio on the Royal Oak Shroud Exhibit
- More Publicity for Royal Oak Exhibition of the Shroud of Turin
(click on the picture for a larger view)
- Now the Chaldean News, a newspaper published by the Chaldean community in Metro Detroit has a great story about the outstanding Shroud of Turin exhibit: A Fascinating Mystery: Exhibit Explores the Shroud of Turin. (Chaldeans, according to the newspaper are indigenous people of Iraq, Eastern-rite Christians who speak Aramaic. There are over 100,000 thousand of them in this part of Michigan.
The history of the shroud can now be observed at a special exhibition at the former St. John United Methodist Church in Royal Oak until August 17. The entire church has been transformed into a 6,000-square-foot gallery.
The exhibit is guided by an audio tour that is one hour long in English, and 1 hour and 25 minutes long in Arabic. It is also available in Russian and Spanish.
“With a headset, it is just you in there,” said Jose Juan Garrigó, CEO of Immersive Planet, Inc., the company that designed the exhibition. “We are currently working on Polish and French Canadian, and are interested in making an audio recording in Aramaic.”
The entire script has already been translated into Aramaic, but the voice for it has not been found. A male Chaldean who can read Aramaic with a powerful, theatrical voice is being sought to fill the role.
dry or wet, why not? Why not if teeth or tissue or hair does?
. . . The reason for there being blood trickles down the hair is allegedly because the blood was imaged directly by a blotting paper effect prior to body imaging, so ends up out of stereoregister with body image*. As I say, smart…
If that’s the case, then why isn’t there a double blood image, one set on the cheek, as a subset of "body image" say, matching exactly the blood trails on the adjacent hair?
I repeat: if dead protein like keratin, whether fibrous or not, and even mineralized tooth enamel can leave an image, then why not the distinctive cell debris and proteins of blood? The latter should remain in stereoregister with the fabric of the Shroud, right through the imaging process, regardless of where the "real blood" relocated due to relative shifting of corpse within Shroud.
It is a good question to ask of those who think the image was formed by a dematerializing body, perhaps even those who speak of any manner of radiation or energy creating the image: Why don’t we see a double-blood signature, one as real blood, one as ‘body image’, at least when out of stereoregister?
I like the question. It sort of supports my idea that the image, which I believe is somehow related to the Resurrection – an event I believe in – was not formed by a natural chemical reaction or by any form of energy that was the byproduct of a supernatural event. I know that sounds like I’m calling the image impossible. I know. But the Resurrection is impossible. The incarnation is impossible. Creatio ex nihilo is impossible. Right?
Scientists love unsolved mysteries. But they hate whacky people like me who suggest that the answers may be mysteries “all the way down,” at least before my morning coffee.
Stephen Hawking put it this way:
A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You’re very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it’s tortoises all the way down!"
But then in The Grand Design, Hawking writes:
Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.
A spontaneous image? I like that. But what about the bloodstains? Is Colin on point with this; is it a valid objection to Jackson, et. al.? I like the question, so far. Now for coffee.
whole sections on the Shroud of Turin and the Vinland Map
Joe Marino sent along some details about a book he discovered, "The Forensic Historian: Using Science to Reexamine the Past" by Robert C. Williams (Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe, 2013). It is interesting that this book was published in February of last year and has not surfaced, that I know of, in online shroud discussions.
The book is available at Amazon.com in Kindle format and as an ebook from the publisher, in each case for $12.95. A hardcover will set you back about $50.00 and a paperback $18.95; Barnes and Noble seems to have the best prices.
Here is a brief description from the publisher:
This engaging book examines 20 significant cases where investigators have applied new forensic techniques to confirm, dispute, or revise accepted historical accounts. Examples include the murder of King Tut, the validity of the Vinland Map, the authenticity of the Hitler diaries, Joan of Arc’s ashes, the bones of Anastasia, arsenic and the death of Napoleon, and the dating of the Shroud of Turin.
Chapter 2, according to the publisher’s 2013 catalog, consists of the following:
2. Faking It: Chemistry and Forgery
2.1 Paul Coremans: The Girl with the Bakelite Earring
2.2 Walter McCrone: Ink Testing the Vinland Map
2.3 Julius Grant: Ultraviolet Light on the Hitler Diaries
2.4 Walter McCrone Again: Carbon-14 Dating the Shroud of Turin
2.5 Philippe Charlier: The Bogus Remains of Joan of Arc
I must buy the book if for nothing else than the piece about Paul Coreman. In fact, I just punched in an order. I’ll look at it in the context of the shroud, next week, time permitting.
Here is a brief quotation about shroud studies from the shroud from the book:
The case of the Shroud of Turin showed how modern forensics techniques, again using analytical chemistry and mass spectrometry, could date fairly precisely any material object of which there was a sample available. For centuries, the shroud had been a venerated relic of the church. Critics had their suspicions, but no hard science to back them up. In the end, Walter McCrone was able to show that the reddish stains on the linen were red ochre paint, not blood, and that the linen itself dated from the fourteenth century. Case closed.
Except that in December 2011, Italian scientists claimed that the shroud could not have been a medieval forgery and that the marks on it were made by electromagnetic energy. Lasers were not around in the first century, so something miraculous must have happened. Forensic history had produced convincing evidence regarding the Shroud of Turin. And yet the debate goes on. Forensic history, like history, remains an argument without end.
In 1985 scientist Thomas Cahill of the Crocker Nuclear Laboratory at the University of California, Davis, used PIXE Particle-Induced X-Ray Emission) to examine the Vinland Map. He found that titanium oxide was not a major part of the ink, but only trace amounts. (Cahill’s samples were much larger than McCrone’s.) Since Cahill’s results appeared to contradict McCrone, Yale promptly sought Cahill’s second opinion. McCrone responded in 1988 with a complete, published account of his 1974 results, arguing that the Cahill tests did not invalidate them. In fact, PIXE could identify titanium but not titanium dioxide.
In 1995 Kirsten Seaver–a historian of medieval Norse culture and fellow of the Royal Geographical Society–argued that the Vinland Map was indeed a modern forgery and that she had identified the probable forger, an Austrian Jesuit priest name Father Josef Fischer, who had died in 1944. Neither Seaver nor McCrone were invited to contribute to a lavish second edition of The Vinland Map and the Tatar Relation published that year by Yale University Press. (The more favorably inclined Thomas Cahill was invited instead.) Nor were McCrone and Seaver invited to attend the February 10, 1996, conference in New Haven where the map was displayed under armed guard and insured for an inflated value of $25 million. McCrone showed up uninvited anyway and handed out to participants his own unpublished paper titled "The Yale contingent was not amused to have a skunk at its garden party.
[ . . . ]
In 1999 McCrone returned to the fray by publishing in his own journal Microscope the results of his more recent study of the map. He had examined samples of the yellow ink liner from the map using a polarized light microscope to confirm the presence of synthetic anatase. He also found that the reddish fringe was not rust but a collagen tempera. Three years later, another scientist complicated the situation with radiocarbon dating: D.J. Donahue found that the parchment of the Vinland Map indeed could be dated from the years 1423-1445, but that it had been coated with some substance in the 1950s. In 2004 the analytic chemist Robin Clark supported McCrone’s 1974 results using Raman microscopy: the particle size and distribution of the ink was characteristic of synthetic anatase, not iron-gall ink.
[ . . . ]
Forensics thus played a crucial role in demolishing historical and cartographic claims that the Vinland map was authentic. In particular, analytical chemistry showed that the ink used on the map was a twentieth-century product, even if the parchment and wormholes might have dated from the fifteenth century.
I know you don’t see teeth on the Shroud image -but maybe this will change your view.
And he attached a PDF file with several images. In it he writes:
Discussion: Of course one can be very careful when assessing so vague images. Although they are not clear as there are several background impurities, which make discerning most individual teeth impossible, yet it is possible to localize 4-5 of them along with some breaks between them. Adding a fact that they are in the proper place, I am now 99 % convinced that those are indeed teeth (and not for example a band of darker yarn).
Sorry. I remain 99% unconvinced. What say you all?
According to the Redland Daily Facts, the local newspaper for the Redlands, California,
Timothy Floyd Miller, a 55-year resident of the Redlands area, has recently published his first novel, “The Blood of the Shroud,” through Las Vegas-based publisher, ADJ Publishing LLC.
The book tells the story of the theft of the Shroud of Turin, believed to be the burial shroud of Jesus Christ, from its home in St. John the Baptist’s Church in Italy, by an unknown group of people. The U.S. government’s “Procurement” division is then enlisted to help get it back and protagonists and ex-Navy SEALs Levi Ben Levine and Aaron Graftt (a biblical archaeologist) are pulled out of retirement to assist. They eventually join forces with micro biologist Laurel Coventry, and the three begin a grand adventure of biblical proportions.
It is available as a Kindle book at Amazon.com
Pam has sent some new pictures. You may recall that she applied to Oxford University (under the UK Freedom of Information Act 2007) to supply the photographs and data surrounding the 1988 tests. This exchange took place:
“Professor Ramsey has put most of it online. (one of the samples is missing but the Shroud data is there).
I wrote to her and asked her to explain what she meant when she said a sample was missing. Her next email to me stated:
“If you look at the whole sample of three of the tested cloths p2574_5; p2576_5 and p2575_8 you can see the first three samples. But the last one (I suspect it is Louis’ cloak) is missing.
“I’m fairly sure the Shroud is p2575 – the only herringbone weave and it looks like other related images we’ve seen of nearby samples. But on Monday I will go back to the compliance officer and question it.”
She has followed up. Yesterday she wrote to me:
Just to say that Professor Ramsey has posted some fascinating photos of the sample online.
They are not the official University photos but they add substantially to Shroud knowledge. In particular the Shroud of Turin sample shows the underside/ reverse of the cloth. Has that ever been photographed before? I don’t remember seeing it.
The latest showing the underside as a PDF file (or click on the image above)
I have not seen this video before: Thomas de Wesselow discussing his theory that the Shroud of Turin provides an explanation as to why the first Christians came to believe in the Resurrection. It is an IdeaCity series page at Hulu.com. The video was made on June 18, 2012 and just published yesterday at DailyMotion. It runs 22 minutes.
A follow up to Pure Rubbish: Colin Berry tracked it down for us. He wrote in a couple of comments:
It was penned by the editor (no less) of The Church Today in April 2009. See page 5 of this pdf:
It was easy to track down with Google by inputting that 600,000 claim – and no surprise to see it accompanied by the term “pier review” !
PS: I omitted to mention that it’s a local (Louisiana-based) periodical, and that the article in question was prefaced with this hat tip – if one can so dignify it:
“Editor’s Note: The following information is from a Lighthouse Catholic Media CD titled “The Passion of Christ in Light of the Holy Shroud of Turin,” by Fr.Francis Peffley.”
Well guess what: you can listen to the first eight minutes of the CD without buying it or an MP3 version. Just CLICK HERE or on the image above. Pour a tall one and sit back. Find the player button and listen. The level of inaccuracy is extraordinary.
Grand Island, Nebraska, is the county seat of mostly rural Hall County, Nebraska. It is a city of about 50,000 people on the Platt River and Interstate 80, two hours west of Omaha. According to a story on The Grand Island Independent, yesterday:
There is an amazing display coming to Grand Island this week which is very unique. “The Man of the Shroud” is a national exhibit unbiased in nature and non-denominational. You can view a life –size 14-by-3-foot display that replicates the holy Shroud of Turin which many believe is the burial cloth of Jesus.
I’ve blogged about this traveling exhibit on display throughout Nebraska sponsored by the Spirit Catholic Radio. So far, reports in the media have been accurate and sparse on detail. However, this one contains a real doozy. Not a word of this next paragraph from The Grand Island Independent is true after the first sentence. Nothing is even slightly true. I’m wondering where this highly imaginative information came from:
This is a replica of the original Shroud of Turin. The original Shroud has had over 600,000 hours of research on it by scientists the last 30 years with over 2,000 scientists doing modern research. Most of those that worked on the Shroud were either atheist or agnostics but over 90 percent of them have become Christian after studying the Shroud. Pope John Paul II called the Shroud, “The greatest relic of Christendom.”
Such pure rubbish gets around unfortunately. That is a major problem with the Internet. I found a brief mention on another site that reads:
The Shroud has over 600,000 hours of study, and of the scientists that did study the shroud, 95% of the are now Christian.
and another site, greatspiritualbattle.com speaks of 600,000 hours of “peer reviewed” research. The claims that “most of those” who worked on the shroud were atheist or agnostic is simply ridiculous.
Hat tip to Louis for spotting this.
Rice Professor writes:
Here are some possibly useful links. These links contain the picture in question. Plan to use Google translate unless you are brilliant. I think this is a picture of the shroud.
will this replace “the real McCoy”?
Peter Becker, a partner in Janus Films and Co-President of The Criterion Collection, explaining the effort to bring out of a remastered, 50th anniversary release of the film, “A Hard Day’s Night.”
This is the real deal. There is a thing here that was the piece of film that passed through the camera that the Beatles walked in front of and that’s the piece of film that we are scanning and honoring, but with it come all of the same conditions of age and if this was a thing from the Renaissance, there would be a shrine to this little piece of film. It’s the actual thing. It is the ‘Shroud of Turin’ of whatever it is. It’s what the image is recorded on. It’s the original thing and there’s a sacred quality to that when you’re working with one of the great films and this is a piece of film itself but it also is subject to the same ravages of time that anything else is. In fact, film is very perishable as we well know. You can leave Michelangelo’s David out in the Piazza Della Signoria for 200 years and take it inside later and clean it off and it’s still in pretty good shape, but you can’t leave a can of film out in the sun for an afternoon. (emphasis mine)
Want to see the trailer? Scroll down after clicking in.
Some time ago I found an interesting illustration of a "long" Mandylion. First in the Holger Kersten&Elmar Gruber book "Jezus ofiarą spisku" (the polish edition of The Jesus Conspiracy) I provide a scan from it [Illustration1]. The picture is not adressed anywhere in the book, and as the source is given simply "Bibliothéque Nationale". The same picture is reproduced in Antonio Teseo blog, who gives the source as Bibliothéque Nationale, ms lat.2688, dated 1280-85.
Another time when I saw this illustration is in Francesac Saracino 2007 documentary LaSacra Sindone; la storia. [Illustration2]. It confirmed that the illustration is generally monochromatic. However it is certain that the cloth is "long" (just look on the position of hands and the frame [Illustration3]), even though nothing more except the face is seen on it. It shows that the cloth have been considered by some as much larger than often claimed, larger than just handkerchief. Possibly large enough to contain the image of the whole body (as implied by Codex Vossianus and Ordericus Vitalis), even though, as I said, only face is depicted on the presented illustration.
Barrie Schwortz writes on the STERA Facebook page:
Last week I participated in the filming of a new documentary that is taking a completely novel (and refreshing) approach to presenting information about the Shroud of Turin. Rather than the usual talking heads in white lab coats that argue for or against authenticity, this program follows the research of Parker Dow (hidden behind the camera in the photo), a high school student from St. Louis who is actually researching and writing his senior thesis on the Shroud. In fact, it was Parker himself who interviewed me and not an off camera producer as is typical in such programs. The as yet unnamed program is designed to appeal to a younger audience and is slated for release in 2015. . . .
Here is a link to Salt River Production Group.
The image shown is an inline link to the image on the STERA Facebook page where it resides and the credit reads: “Photo courtesy Chuck Neff, Salt River Production Group (one of the co-sponsors of the upcoming St. Louis Shroud Conference).”
John Klotz has posted to his blog a section of the seventeenth chapter of his forthcoming book about the Shroud of Turin. It is called, The Apocalyptic Prophecy of Pope Francis. Also read an earlier posting, The Apocalypse of Selfishness: The Great “So What?” They hang together nicely.
From his latest posting:
Despite some criticisms from conservative elements in the Church, Francis has not retreated from his elevation of the environment to a religious issue. On May 21, 2014, Pope Francis told an audience; “If we destroy creation, creation will destroy us.”
Is Francis right? Was his statement hyperbole or prophecy? Creation destroying us! Is he prophesying an Apocalypse?
There is something of a circus-like sideshow dimension to this whole 2015 thing in Turin. Which nutty professor do we sign up with, the miracle image maker or the natural image maker? We need a faker maker tour led by none other than Professor Berry? We need to know who do we want to rub elbows with and what is for dinner? Are the busses air conditioned and will there be time for shopping? Do we have to stand in line and do we get free monogrammed ponchos if it rains? These people are tourists, not pilgrims. A pilgrim shows up alone or with a couple of friends, sleeps in a hostel or inexpensive hotel and eats in food courts or on outdoor benches. But that is not good for business.
Colin Berry has expressed his views in Are we there yet? Check it out. There is much there I agree with.
Everyone is doing it. For instance the Vatican has a YouTube channel. You should create one for the St. Louis conference. Tape every presentation. Upload them to your channel. Provide links to the papers when you do so. Get shroud.com and shroudstory.com to promote it. This will put the St. Louis conference on the map. This will promote respectability for sindonology and authenticity like never before. Okay, so you have a couple of nut job papers. So what. The most difficult part will be turning on the camera. The cost will be zero.
Actually, the Vatican has several official channels in different languages. I found these:
- The Vatican - Italiano
- The Vatican – English
- The Vatican – Español
- The Vatican – Deutsch
- The Vatican – Français
- The Vatican – Lietuvių
- The Vatican – 中文
Russ Breault has made recordings at previous conferences. I agree, putting the presentations on YouTube in a special YouTube conference channel would be a good idea.