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Cluny Medal versus Lirey Badge

February 24, 2013

Maybe Colin is right. Maybe I should be calling it the Lirey Badge to avoid confusion. Colin writes:

Yes, with a few seemingly mild admonitions that cleverly distort the truth   Porter, with a few toxic words  can summon up his pro-authenticity anti-sceptic troops. The  latter  finish off what Porter begins, like yesterday when my thinking on the Lirey Badge, or what Porter still unhelpfully insists on calling the  “Cluny Medal”

I checked in with Google and found that page counts using . . .

  • Cluny Medal is 490
  • Lirey Badge is 1040

It is clearer to ccall it the Lirey Badge. Details of the complaint are at Shroudie-Alert: Day 6 and Shroudie-alert: Day 5 Time to go for broke.

Categories: Art, History
  1. February 24, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Dan,

    I think his whining about your choice of words is a distraction from the vacuity of his claim that it is really Jacques de Molay It is absurd to believe that in 1353, canons at any Church would be issuing a medallion in honor of a heretic who had been burned at the stake at the instigation of the French King. Not exactly an underground thing. The de Molay theory is definitely a ROTFLMAO. Such a pilgrims badge would have been treason. There I’ve just wasted five minutes. Good work Colin.

    • February 24, 2013 at 11:15 am

      And another thing. For Colin to insist on calling the Lirey badge underscores its connection to an active Church 40 years after de Molay was roasted. It under scores the point of its connection to the Church which had cooperated in King Phillip’s purge. So let’s, by all means call it the Lirey badge. From my prospective and German heritage, machts nichts.

  2. anoxie
    February 25, 2013 at 4:54 am

    I’ve got 4170 for “medallion of lirey”, i think we are mistaking a medallion for a badge.

  3. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 9:31 am

    In French, we call it “un méreau/un mérel” that is a token used to show that a church official had attended a given ceremony. A pilgrim badge is the English phrase for “un insigne de pèlerinage”.

    • Max Patrick Hamon
      February 25, 2013 at 12:16 pm

      Typo: pilgrimAGE badge

      • anoxie
        February 26, 2013 at 4:29 am

        It was a joke but thank you for this precision, I didn’t know what a “méreau” was.

  4. Paulette
    February 25, 2013 at 10:06 am

    I just read Colin’s first posting for day 7 shroudie alert. He seems to think we get upset with his theories and his skepticism. No we don’t. We get upset because we have learned that to disagree with him is to invite his wrath and insults. That is why so few make comments on his blog. That is why Thibault stopped commenting. Colin is his own worst enemy, not ours. And we are not his enemy except in his imagination. If he would just lighten up I think things would be much better all around.

    • Thibault HEIMBURGER
      February 25, 2013 at 5:54 pm

      No Paulette,

      Colin is right.
      He discovered the truth: I must confess that I am a member of the TS Secret Confraternity.
      Dan, you are a member of this confraternity and you should now acknowledge this fact.

      It is true that in the past the members of our Confraternity did try to hide some facts and they burnt the TS in 1532. They obviously folded the TS as described in the Aldo Guerreschi-Michele Salcito paper.

      More seriously, it is fascinating to observe CB’s evolution.
      He has now a wonderful scenario for a movie.

      Thibault.

    • anoxie
      February 26, 2013 at 4:16 am

      Or perhaps he’s stopped commenting because there is nothing to comment any longer, whatever Colin’s behaviour.

  5. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 11:37 am

    I wrote Colin Berry: “If you do love historical/legendary enigmas here is one for you: In old French “un grail” means “a metallic square/diamond lattice”. Now just guess what is featured on the OBverse side of the Lirey Medaillon?

    CB, want to see for yourself the archaeo(crypto)perceptive image of the Blood Chalice of Christ? What can you “THINK YOU SEE” right in the Shroud face vertical axis once the image is shown upside down?

    REMINDER: the Shroud image does “behave” like an oversized Rorschach (this is an archaeoperceptive/optical fact).

    The Shroud image is ALSO of the stuff that the medieval “grail” scenes are made of…

  6. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I also wrote Colin Berry: “It was WELL BEFORE Jacques de Molay and Geoffrey de Charny met their fate on a small islet a little off the Paris Cardio…

    Le terme de graal est traduit en anglais par « grail » – le saint graal : the holy grail. Or graal se rapproche du terme de vieux français « grail » qui signifie gril et grille – car les deux mots ne sont différenciés qu’au XVIIème siècle – du latin cratis (grille, claie). Le verbe « griller » était orthographié « graailler », remarquez les deux « a ». On retrouve le gril dans un récit irlandais racontant l’évolution de Tuân mac Cairill réalisant l’Homme primordial en lui.

    If you still don’t know the optical reason why YOU THINK YOU SEE “un homme grillé à petit feu” just pray Saint Lawrence for it…

    What is really your Knights Templar’s “SAIT VOIR ET SAIT OÏR”, “DOUBLE AND TRIPLE ENTENDRE AND SEE”? Zilch, nada, nothing, wallou.

  7. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Typo: a little islet of the Paris Cardio

  8. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I alos wrote CB: “Yeshua said: “Whoever is near me is near the fire” (Is it scorching hot enough, I mean Truth?)”

  9. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    (Sorry I misposted the following comment and have to repost it here)
    NOTE: The trellis work on the Lirey Medaillion reverse side, together with the herring bone pattern on the obverse side do echo to the same combination carved in alabaster we can observe on the (4th?)-6th c. St Mark’s cathedra; trellis work in reference to the Holy Mandylion and herring bone to the Holy Shroud.

  10. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    It does seem the two relics were either kept away together within the same table-reliquary or seperatetly within two reliquaries showing the same diamond lattice motif.

  11. Max Patrick Hamon
    February 25, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Typo: reliquary-table

  12. Max Patrick Hamon
    March 1, 2013 at 9:03 am

    To anoxie:

    Additional comments: At the end of their pilgrimage (i.e. once returned home), pilgrims used to throw their pilgrimage badges into a well or a river (from a bridge) and make a wish. Most if not all towns and villages then had such time-honoured tradition spots.

    In 95% cases, the best way to discriminate between medieval token/mark and pilgrimage badge is the presence or the absence of one or more holes to hang it.

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